Michelle Glogovac (00:01.15)
Hi Stephanie. I'm so excited to talk to you, even though we've already been talking 20 minutes already. Now we'll let everyone in to hear us in our conversation. They don't know what they're in for. Can you introduce yourself to everyone please?

Stephanie Kiser (00:02.862)
Hi, Michelle.

Stephanie Kiser (00:08.974)
Yes.

They don't know what they were missing.

Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (00:21.164)
Yes, I am Stephanie Kaiser and I wrote the memoir, Wanted, Toddler's Personal Assistant that came out in August. There it is. Thanks.

Michelle Glogovac (00:30.706)
It is so good. You were the toddler's personal assistant, meaning that you were a nanny to the very wealthy.

Stephanie Kiser (00:39.564)
Yes. I at first when the publisher came up with that title, that was not the title I had, I was really offended. I was like, this is not going to be the title of my life. But the more I've sat with it, it's correct. It's a unique title. It's catchy. And it's true.

Michelle Glogovac (00:58.58)
So share with us how you got into being a nanny, first of all. You're not anymore, but you're not. You're in a nice office building with a view.

Stephanie Kiser (01:04.972)
I'm not. Is that clear? Yeah, well, I mean, it's still kind of nannying in a different way just for adults, but yes.

Michelle Glogovac (01:15.444)
How did that start that you became a nanny?

Stephanie Kiser (01:17.326)
I really just was broke. That's all there is to it. I moved to New York. I was really hungry to get a writing job, to be creative, like so many people. And then I got here, had all this student debt, and I was just like, this isn't gonna work. I was making like $400 a week at a PR firm.

I couldn't pay rent and the loans and all the other things that turns out comes with being alive. So I was looking for something else. My best friend suggested, just, you you babysat in college. Why not check it out? And in my mind, I had made, you know, $12, $15 a night babysitting an hour. So that didn't seem helpful to me, but I quickly found out that...

nannying for, you know, super wealthy people on the Upper East Side or Tribeca or, you know, these really ritzy areas, it lets you kind of skip that entry-level salary. And I just got really lucky and I fell in right away with the family on Fifth Ave. That was wonderful and I really liked and...

Yeah, I just then I got kind of sucked into it because then the money was so good that I was like, how do I leave? But I've been out of it for about four years now. I just started a role four months ago as chief of staff at an ad tech company, which.

Michelle Glogovac (02:36.862)
And what do do now?

Stephanie Kiser (02:45.246)
was the dream. And if you're reading the book, I'm talking about I want to be in this fancy office building. And now, sometimes I'll be in the big conference room in a meeting and I'll just be like, is this is this what I waited for this right here? So you know, it's good in its bed. There's definitely parts of nannying that I miss. But obviously, I'm really happy that I was able to get to this point that I'm at now.

Michelle Glogovac (03:09.562)
you share in the book the various families that you either met or you worked for. And there were some that were like, you and I totally, I don't want to use the word normal because that's not kind, but like down to earth, regular people versus the ones who like don't reprimand a child. It seemed very Montessori, know, let them roll with the wind.

Stephanie Kiser (03:20.27)
So that's the way. They know it's normal. Yeah. Listen.

Stephanie Kiser (03:32.814)
You know, I actually got some friends that are trying that philosophy though, and I'm like, oof, sometimes I'm hanging out with them. I'm like, what are we doing here? This is not gonna work out.

Michelle Glogovac (03:46.278)
Yeah, and that's going to be hard, especially as a nanny. Like, that's not really, you don't get, it's not your call. How do you raise these children or reprimand them? You're told.

Stephanie Kiser (03:52.951)
No.

Yeah, and I think that's the main reason, you there's only one family that I was with that it didn't work out with. And I think that was the main reason is that they just had a very different philosophy on raising children and interacting with them and communicating with them and letting them just, you know, explore and be kids. And I think that

being a nanny is so intimate and you are with the children most of their waking hours. So you have to be able to have some influence and you have to be able to, you know, understand the parents philosophy and, you know, be sort of on the same page, I think, in order for it to work.

Michelle Glogovac (04:38.728)
Well, when we talk about the one family, I want everyone to realize that there was a child who would like welcome you and call you names. like, it wasn't that they were throwing a toy. It was that they were like verbally abusing you, I felt. And I'm like, what human being thinks that that's okay because the child is expressing themselves. No adult would be doing that. So no, it's not okay for the child either. So that's the kind of behavior.

Stephanie Kiser (04:54.926)
you

Stephanie Kiser (05:03.181)
Yes.

Michelle Glogovac (05:08.776)
that no.

Stephanie Kiser (05:08.978)
Yeah, he actually exclusively called me Fat Stephanie. That was all he responded. That's all he would use. And I agree. I don't think that that's an okay way for anyone to talk to a person. And it was just very odd to me that sort of this concept of, but they need to be them. And I'm like, by being mean to someone else, but that really is...

the philosophy behind that gentle parenting in a way because like I said now I've got friends and I'm seeing not to that degree but I'm seeing similar things and I'm like is no one going to be like you have to be a decent human to these tiny people and they're they're not.

Michelle Glogovac (05:52.244)
It's really scary for what the future will hold for these individuals because when they meet my little individuals, they will be told that that is not nice.

Stephanie Kiser (05:55.19)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (06:00.06)
You

in it as it should be.

Michelle Glogovac (06:04.744)
Yeah, it's interesting. I'm not sure where, well, like we were discussing before, we live in a very strange world right now.

Stephanie Kiser (06:12.908)
Yes, and not everyone's aligned. We've got a lot of misalignment about what it means to be a good person. So let's start there because right now, it seems like you're gonna be a bad person if you want to be in charge. So, you know, I don't, I don't know. And what happens when...

Michelle Glogovac (06:20.788)
preach.

Michelle Glogovac (06:27.508)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (06:33.794)
you know, half of the kids are raised with gentle parenting and half are, that's gonna be an interesting dynamic in schools, in camps, in social settings, I think. Yeah, that's true. That could be, yeah, not even a problem for us, so let's not worry.

Michelle Glogovac (06:43.526)
if schools still exist.

Michelle Glogovac (06:50.098)
Let's talk about your childhood, your background, and how that was so vastly different to what you were experiencing work-wise.

Stephanie Kiser (06:59.414)
Yeah, it was. I think that a lot of people that I'm related to have sort of, they've missed the point that I've tried to make a little bit, which is disappointing, but I can see how it's hitting so close to home for them. And I'm holding up a mirror to a lot of people and I get to do that on my time in my space of processing. So I get that part, but I think that...

And they've seen it very personal as I'm trying to say that, you know, I'm ashamed of where I come from or I wish I was born rich, but that's that's really not at all what I wanted to say. I'm just trying to state that we have an inequality problem in America. And I think a lot of the traits I have come from my background, you know, being sort of like.

Agile and scrappy, all of those things are because I didn't have a lot of resources, because my parents were young and I came from a line of mechanics and not people that had a ton of education. So I'm not ashamed at all from coming there, but I do think that, you know, the same kid there today,

at those schools or in that situation should have the same opportunities as the ones that I was nannying on the Upper East Side who go to Dalton. And they're not getting those opportunities and they don't have the resources. And I worry that we're missing out on a lot of potentially

really successful doctors or really successful scientists or amazing lawyers or all these, there's so many jobs you can have, but we're missing out on people because they're not able to have these opportunities just because they weren't born into privilege.

Michelle Glogovac (08:58.964)
And then on top of that, if they are given such an opportunity, because you were with basketball and then getting into college, but then you walked away with these loans that were absolutely ridiculous. I mean, your loan amount, it was over $1,000 a month to pay back. How do you do that? Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (09:03.874)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (09:11.404)
It remained ridiculous.

Stephanie Kiser (09:18.984)
and I'm still paying them back. I mean, that's just where we're... I have sort of just accepted that that's probably just for a long time. Sorry, but I didn't actually hear your question. Sorry, that's very jarring for me when I'm reminded of the payment. I know that.

Michelle Glogovac (09:34.452)
I'm sorry. I'm like, Ann, let me remind you, today's the 10th. No, but I was saying, it's not just the opportunities, but then even if you are given such an opportunity, you might be smacked with these loan then repayments so that your future opportunities are affected as well because now what do you do? You have a degree, but you went to go nanny, to be with the wealthy so that you could then repay them.

but that wasn't your chosen career path. It wasn't what you intended to do for years on end. There's just no balance, even if we do help.

Stephanie Kiser (10:14.7)
Yeah, there's not. I the reality is in order to do all the things that I did, I had to derail my life for nearly a decade. So there was a price to pay. I think a lot of people, you know, they hear about student loan reform or student loan forgiveness. And what they don't understand is that I don't think anyone's asking for you to just pay off all their debt. I think the issue is that, you know, for me, I'm going to pay back.

more than twice of what I took out in interest. So it's not actually about paying, you know, it's not about the government saying, hey, you know what, we have to help educate our people. It's about putting modern day poor tax on people who college isn't meant for really.

No one wants a free everything. No one's saying please just cancel it all out, but I don't think that you should put people in a position where even when they've done everything right to jump classes, they've done all the work, they're still not gonna jump classes. And for me, it's worked out, I think, best that it possibly could. When I think of other people in this situation, I feel so lucky because I had to take a long path.

I obviously took steps that I didn't intend to, but I learned a lot from them. And now I'm 33 and I'm here in, you know, an ad tech firm in Hudson Yards in this beautiful building, making really good money. And it's still hard. It's still really hard to afford everything I have to afford with this, these loans hanging over my head. And...

Like I said, it's good for me. It's worked out. I have surpassed everyone in my family's earnings at 33, which is amazing, but I also have more debt accumulated at 33 than they had in their entire lives. So I think it's a rigged system, and I think there's still a lot of work to be done. And I worry about the people who thought they were doing the right thing by...

Stephanie Kiser (12:22.22)
getting first in their family to go to college, it's a huge deal. They did well, they did all these things, but then they came out and they just don't have a career that's that lucrative, but they do have the, know, they're sort of in a really impossible spot for essentially the rest of their lives.

Michelle Glogovac (12:37.684)
Let's also talk about, I love the story of how you got Hillary's book. You were like, no, I'm not going to read it. I'm not going to read it. I don't even know who Hillary Clinton is. And then you read it and you couldn't put it down and she like literally changed your life, I feel.

Stephanie Kiser (12:45.55)
I love you.

Stephanie Kiser (12:52.238)
you

Stephanie Kiser (12:58.254)
So she does, I actually last night, this is so humiliating, I have a t-shirt that I bought when she ran in 2016 and this t-shirt is so ratty, it's got like 15 holes in it, like the armpits falling out, it's just disgusting, but it's like my security t-shirt, like anytime I just need to chill, like all the way before my heel, and my friends keep being like, throw that out. And I'm like, I'll never, I will never.

But yes, no, that did change. It really did change my life. And really the only, you know, we are sort of what we hear for a lot of years, right? When you're growing up.

especially for me the only, you my family wasn't even that political. They definitely got more political in a way that I'm not in agreement with over the years. initially, you know, I knew that everyone was Republican, but it wasn't so in your face as it is now. But all I knew about Hillary was what I heard, which is she's a lesbian. That's the only line that I ever heard. when, when, you know, someone from...

Michelle Glogovac (14:00.254)
She's not everybody. She wears pantsuits, but she's not.

Stephanie Kiser (14:05.622)
which are very stylish. I don't care what anyone says, but when it was time for me to read this book, was all that was in my head is this one line playing over and over. And I'm so glad that I read it because I realized I actually had no idea how anything in the world worked. And if I hadn't, I would definitely be voting for things that didn't.

help me or make my life better. And it was through this book that I like take her out of it that I was able to sort of understand, okay, well, you know, this program or this process is very helpful for me in my life in the stage that I'm in. And here's why we do x, y, and why it makes sense. And so for me, it was really a learning tool that I've carried with me and I continue to use as I learn about the world.

But like I said, when someone first handed me that book, I was disgusted. I was revolted because of this one thing that I'd heard over and over, which I think is something people are kind of suffering from a lot now, too, is that they're growing up, especially now. People are so passionate about politics one way or the other. So.

At least for me, I didn't form my own ideas or opinions until I read this book. So it's very special to me, as are the pant suits. I think that, you know, they will go down in history. I don't care what anyone says.

Michelle Glogovac (15:35.828)
I love it. love her. Shout out to Hillary. We'll tag her when this goes live. Yes. Feel free to contact either of both of us. Both of us would be great. She's on my post-it of… I have a post-it of like goals for life and she is on it. So, yeah, meet Hillary. Yes. I actually… So, we did. We actually… She doesn't know this, but in 2011, I went to Hawaii for the first time.

Stephanie Kiser (15:38.847)
We love you. Listen to our podcast. That was a learn. We'll try to respond.

Stephanie Kiser (15:51.342)
Let's talk to Hillary for her to be president. Which one?

Stephanie Kiser (16:02.668)
Okay.

Michelle Glogovac (16:04.436)
I was sent, I was in corporate aviation. So APAC was over there, the Asian Pacific Summit. Obama was there and I was staying at the Hilton Waikiki Village and she was too. And I was there for 11 days. So I made friends with all of the staff because that is what you should be doing. And I went to go get my car and my husband had, he wasn't my husband yet. We were dating. He came, he'd flown out and the guy says, and my maiden name's Ms. Layler.

Stephanie Kiser (16:06.894)
the news.

Stephanie Kiser (16:16.046)
Okay.

Stephanie Kiser (16:21.859)
huh. Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (16:27.406)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (16:33.744)
you don't want your car yet. You want it in five minutes and you want to go right over there." And I went, okay. And my husband's like, what is going on here? What? I go, somebody's coming. Somebody's coming. And out walks Hillary and she goes, aloha everybody. And I was like, I saw her walk by during a happy hour or two and I was like, yes, there she is. So I've spotted her. She has said aloha to me.

Stephanie Kiser (16:41.326)
No.

Stephanie Kiser (16:46.35)
Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (16:53.315)
my god.

Stephanie Kiser (17:03.31)
I was gonna say, and you got a special word, wasn't high, was aloha.

Michelle Glogovac (17:06.972)
It's on video on one of these old digital cameras that is somewhere hidden in the house. I know, yes, yes. So I have been that close.

Stephanie Kiser (17:09.71)
better find it and keep it closed. But that is a perfect segue into why you should be nice to the staff. Yes.

Michelle Glogovac (17:20.276)
Yes, always, always. Because I came from the staff part. I worked in corporate aviation. I had shared this with you. You get to meet celebrities and there are some that they will stick with you when you're like, wow, you are just a jerk. Period.

Stephanie Kiser (17:26.37)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (17:38.004)
They were speaking good or bad ways, but it's one or the other.

Michelle Glogovac (17:40.946)
Yes, yes, there's some that I sing Rob Lowe's praises. He was the funniest, nicest, yes. Sean Penn is very reserved, very kind. Yeah. And then there were two that I was like, wow, you're just rude. I mean, I could name drop them, Ashanti and Dennis Miller. Not my favorites. Yeah. Yep. Not my favorites.

Stephanie Kiser (17:45.864)
Really? Interesting.

I could see that, I guess, a little reserved.

Stephanie Kiser (18:04.184)
Really? Huh.

Michelle Glogovac (18:08.914)
And here, I carry this with me 20 years later.

Stephanie Kiser (18:12.084)
You know what? It's not even like, don't know, Ashanti surprises me because it's not even like, not that she's not famous, of course she is, but not in the way of like, I don't know, like Angelina Jolie or Taylor Swift, like not a name that's like so big that I would be like, checks out.

Michelle Glogovac (18:27.89)
Yeah, no, 20 years ago she was in her own world. She was performing at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch. And she was in a hurry and didn't like that it was taking too long to unload all of her bags that she had packed.

Stephanie Kiser (18:42.816)
Yeah, well that's happened sometimes. The hard problem. Yes. And also like people do, they do share it as we're doing right now, you know, it's not that big of a secret as you think.

Michelle Glogovac (18:48.072)
It's a different world, but always be nice to the staff, everybody, because then we're nice back and...

Michelle Glogovac (19:01.278)
Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny how it does stick with you for so many years. It just, stands out. Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (19:07.148)
Yes, it really does. Well, while we're talking about this, there's something that I like to bring up now because I so something happened to me when I first started promoting this book, it was my first time talking to press and I definitely it took me a couple of times to realize they're not all my friends, they're trying to write a story. And so I went into my first interview and was like,

And everyone asked me the same question in like the first five interviews I did, which was, tell me about the celebrities that you met on the Upper East Side. And I mentioned, and I've read the book, I honestly, I think it's one line, one line I mentioned Robert De Niro. And every person,

Michelle Glogovac (19:51.883)
yeah, yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (19:53.888)
wrote half an article on him and I'm like no this poor man if he sees this he's gonna be like who the heck is that girl and why is she doing this? But I really I'm not all I said and one thing was that he was a little grumpy and look he's like 80 years old of course he's a little grumpy you know he's 80 years old their preschool pickup I understand.

Michelle Glogovac (20:14.356)
I'd be grumpy too if I was 80 starting over again.

Stephanie Kiser (20:18.062)
I'm grumpy there at 25, so I feel him, but people really ran with this story. So I just want to make it clear here. This was, he was not a bad guy. All I said was he was a little grumpy and he didn't like being at school pickup, which I mean, I'm sure you pick up your kids. sorry. You pick up your kids sometimes and you're not excited to be there that day.

Michelle Glogovac (20:38.908)
No, I really am not. I look at the drivers and I openly tell them that they're horrible drivers. What are you doing? That's a red curb. That's illegal. You're running a child over. Yeah, I'm never helping you pick up.

Stephanie Kiser (20:41.922)
Thank

Stephanie Kiser (20:48.119)
Yeah, you know what?

Michelle Glogovac (20:52.596)
And I don't have the money to have a nanny to go pick them up, so I imagine Robert De Niro would not have been pleased either.

Stephanie Kiser (20:59.906)
Well, I will say we should be thinking about that, right? Like we're doing all this nasty coverage, but he was there to do pickup and he did have a nanny and he's still I mean, of course his driver took him and opened the door and all that stuff, but he still went and I think that's more than a lot of a lot of dads so

Michelle Glogovac (21:17.488)
yeah, yeah, definitely. My husband's with me at pick up every day. So no, I'm totally with you on that one. There's rarely… I've had one dad go, do you know where my child's classroom is? I'm like, wow, you should come to school more often, buddy. Yes. And if I lived in New York and I could afford a driver, like, why wouldn't you? New York is crazy.

Stephanie Kiser (21:19.886)
So I hope he hears this and he knows.

my

Yep. And you should be embarrassed to ask that.

Stephanie Kiser (21:39.854)
100 % and I will say that the two dads that I saw at pick up most of the time were Robert De Niro and Steve Martin. Those were the two. Now of course, you know, they've got different schedules. They've got different lives, but I'm just saying that they're the ones that knew where the kids class was. So we should keep that in mind. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (21:58.772)
They were present. Yeah, I love that. Shout out to them too. So, only murders in the building if you need some podcast help. I'm here for that too. We truly are. Yeah, anybody who just wants to meet, we're good with that too. What made you write the book? You said you were always wanting to be a writer. At what point were you like, you know what, let me write about my experience and turn it into a memoir and make this my first book?

Stephanie Kiser (22:04.172)
Yeah. Yes, we are. We're offering a lot of services.

Stephanie Kiser (22:27.886)
It was just the story I had. So I had been writing a little bit after college, screenplays that I wasn't really doing anything with. And then there was a period where I wasn't writing at all because I was very discouraged. And then I had joined this writers group. And I had joined it really for the social aspect because Nanny Ying's really isolated. And you spend a lot of time with people who can't talk to you. And when they do, it's worse. So I just needed some people my own age. At the time, had

three kids under five, one was a newborn, 12 hours a day. So I just felt really, I meant like a new mom. was like, my God, I'm losing myself. So I joined this group and you had to bring something when it was your turn to go. So I had written this just sort of a snapshot essay, Day in the Life of...

being a nanny and someone in my writing group the next week brought me a copy of Maid and she said, I think you've got something similar here. And I read Maid and I was like, no, I don't think this is what I'm trying to say. And then I thought about it and I was like, maybe. But when I first, you know, when I first started submitting it to agents, I was getting the same feedback, which was that there's not really a place in the market for it. Everyone was saying the same thing, you know, to write a memoir right now. They were saying you need to have a TikTok or you need to be a celebrity.

you have something and I had like 300 followers on Instagram so I didn't have any of that and then when I finally did find my agent who's incredible and wonderful she was clear that we had to find a way to to make this engaging and give people a way in and the way we found that was me paralleling my personal life with the

children I was nannying for. So I would say if I had my own choice, I probably wouldn't have written so much about my personal life. I would have stuck to the more in present. And a lot of reviews have said they wish that I left my personal life out. I'm like, guys, me too. Like, I'm with you. But that was the part that made it marketable. So, you know, that's how that ended up there. But initially it really was just sort of, you know, here's what I'm seeing.

Stephanie Kiser (24:38.734)
as a nanny who didn't come from this world. And then in the end, we made it a side by side comparison.

Michelle Glogovac (24:45.992)
I enjoyed that you shared your personal experience. I appreciated it because it did give that unique perspective of you didn't simply come up from that you knew these contacts and you just made it. It was real. Obviously it's real, but it made it much more realistic of, okay, this is where you came from. This is how you, I don't want to say rose up in the ranks, but you-

Stephanie Kiser (24:49.452)
Thank you.

Stephanie Kiser (24:58.478)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (25:09.228)
Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (25:13.16)
connected with these wealthy, wealthy people, worked for them, lived with them. You were embedded in this whole community that you did not grow up in anywhere near. And then to also follow along with your own self discovery of what are my opinions politically? What is it that I, how do I want to raise my kids? All of these decisions that you made along the way, I thought it was great that

Stephanie Kiser (25:22.52)
Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (25:41.938)
we got to see where you came from and what that journey looked like to where you are today.

Stephanie Kiser (25:47.576)
I appreciate that. One thing that I have found interesting is that sometimes people will say to me or they'll message me or I'll see a review or they feel like they feel like I was kind of looking down upon who I used to be when I was around the wealthy people. that's actually not, I think what maybe is lost a little bit on some people is that

When I'm writing a lot of these chapters, I'm like, I'm 21, I'm 22, I'm 23. This is a time period where people are just kind of angry at the world or they're trying to figure out who they are. And I think that's really what's coming across is just sort of this feeling of what world do I belong in? Who am I? What makes sense to me? What do I believe in? And it took me a really long time.

because I felt like I was sort of trapped between both worlds. Like I wasn't really who I was, who I started as, but I also wasn't one of them. And also, you I was working with people who were way more disadvantaged than I was. So it was this strange thing where I was the lucky one, but I wasn't really lucky.

but I definitely had it better than most. I think the grumpiness or the frustration you're reading is really me trying to understand where do I fit into all of this, which is something honestly I think might be lifelong. I'm still wondering that. Now in a different way, but still here, I'm like, does this make sense? Do I belong here in this office? Am I?

Michelle Glogovac (27:31.038)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (27:34.634)
fooling everyone. So I think that's sort of, you know, just a lifelong journey. But I never felt like, and I definitely actually don't feel that being wealthy is the best thing in the world. I feel like it's the last takeaway I've made from coming out of the nanny world.

Michelle Glogovac (27:55.57)
I think it's a lifelong journey. I'm 10 years ahead of you and I'm still going, okay, where am I supposed to be? What am I meant to be doing? Am I doing the right thing? And when you talk about being where you are and not quite fitting in, it was, I don't know if it was eye-opening, it was definitely, I loved reading the empathy that you built up in connecting with the other nannies and then them pointing out.

Stephanie Kiser (28:00.981)
See you

Michelle Glogovac (28:21.904)
hey, do you know why this mom always talks to you? Don't you notice that she doesn't talk to any of us? And it was because you were the only white nanny that was there, the only English speaking, fluent white nanny in the room. And it became obvious to everybody else that that's why she was talking to you and you hadn't recognized, you thought she was just being kind.

Stephanie Kiser (28:26.862)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (28:33.39)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Kiser (28:43.542)
Yeah, as if she wants to talk to me about SoulCycle. That's awesome.

Michelle Glogovac (28:47.346)
Yeah. And that built your empathy up, which I think was another great thing to watch too. mean, we're watching you really flourish and grow into the woman that you are today through these experiences that you wouldn't have otherwise had if you hadn't done this.

Stephanie Kiser (28:49.87)
It's

Stephanie Kiser (28:54.798)
No.

Stephanie Kiser (29:03.874)
Yeah. Yeah, and that's why I always say that yes, this was not the road I intended to take. If I could go back in time and wave a magic wand and someone says, you don't have to do any of that. You can just go do whatever career you want it. Of course, yeah, that's great. But I do think I learned a lot of stuff that I would not have had I not done this. And I do think it's made me.

a more curious person, a more empathetic person, someone who cares about other people in a way that I, not that I didn't, but I couldn't before. And that has made some of these conversations around, you know, politics with people I love very challenging because...

You know, when they're talking about things like deporting immigrants, these are actually people I worked alongside and are really amazing people who are not stealing from the country at all and who are here, not even necessarily always because they want to be here, but because they had to. So I feel like, you know, the Nanny experience, though, not one that I wanted.

has really helped define and shape me and it's not an experience I would want to give back. I what I have shortened it probably. I mean, it really went on for too long, but otherwise I'm happy with it.

Michelle Glogovac (30:31.07)
love that. I love the way you summarize that so beautifully because the book is really, that's what it's about. As the reader, we get to live that experience through you. there were eye-opening moments for me when you talked to politics with your family and I went, this is how, okay, this is a great experience to read about and to learn how you had these conversations and how…

Stephanie Kiser (30:54.22)
Well, they're not working, so don't take them literally.

Michelle Glogovac (30:57.896)
But you had the courage to have them still and to plant that seed, whatever may hopefully grow, hopefully it takes root, that you're doing these things. And to see though that you yourself were given this book and that's where it all started from. And what would happen if we properly educated everybody about things, not this is it, it's this way or that way, but truly.

Stephanie Kiser (31:00.43)
Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (31:06.979)
Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (31:11.47)
Yeah.

Stephanie Kiser (31:24.525)
you

Michelle Glogovac (31:25.244)
this is what government is and this is what the specific, yeah, yeah. And not preach, you know, right or left. Like these are the facts and actually present facts.

Stephanie Kiser (31:27.254)
Yeah, and then let them decide. I think.

Stephanie Kiser (31:36.482)
Yeah, I think that's absolutely the issue is that we need to educate in a way that isn't predefined with what someone should believe in. It's just here's how it works. Read this and gather your own thoughts. I don't think I mean, I think back to high school and you know, I got a scholarship to a really prestigious school and I had, you know, I wouldn't say that I was taking advantage of the education at the time in the way that I should have but

I was being taught by really, really brilliant teachers with an amazing curriculum. And I don't remember ever learning in the way that I picked up from Hillary's book. this is how this works. Now, granted, some of that may have been that I just wasn't paying attention, but I do think that there is gaps in what we're teaching, why we're teaching.

And what we like, do we really as I think we have to ask ourselves as a country in a society, do we really want people to be able to jump classes? Because I don't think even the people at the bottom want that for some reason. And I feel like I come to this conclusion often because whenever I'm talking to someone that I'm related to about student debt or, you know, about

you know, who gets into Harvard, who gets into Yale? The answer is always, parents can't pay, they become plumbers or they should become this. And there's no loyalty to their own crowd of being like, no, like I want my son's best friend to get this opportunity because he's really smart. I want, you know, this person or that person. There's not any of that. And I don't understand why.

Michelle Glogovac (33:24.564)
I wish I had the answer. I know, I'm like, I'm nope stumped. I'm going to have to contemplate that as well.

Stephanie Kiser (33:28.192)
I know, I'm asking, you know, I'm just kidding.

Yes. That's just something I've been thinking about as we head into January, sort of why are people feeling this way and how can we talk to them differently and how do we help kids who are in, who are not?

you know, in positions of privilege to dream big and to feel like they can do this and to not just say, okay, well, this isn't for me. So I guess I can't or I won't, you know, how do we create a system where people are inspired to do more and try and want to.

Michelle Glogovac (34:10.9)
hopefully they just read your book.

Stephanie Kiser (34:13.066)
I hope, I hope, but it's not easy. Exactly, I'm gonna start sending it out in twos. So if you're listening to this and you want me in Hillary's book, just send me a DM.

Michelle Glogovac (34:14.612)
It's a good start for sure and then they can pick up Hillary's book and they'll be on their merry way.

I like that, yes.

Michelle Glogovac (34:29.684)
I love it. love it. Are you going to do another book?

Stephanie Kiser (34:34.81)
Yes, I'm working on a second one right now. That is picking up a little bit where book two left off. I had sort of condensed the last chapter about the new role that I take because I thought that it wasn't, you know, it really

it really wasn't relevant to the story that I wrote. Like, yes, it's a new part of my life, but it wasn't, I didn't want it to take away from my nannying journey. But I feel that may have a stronger message on inequality, if that's possible. So I've started working on that one, and hopefully we'll be able to finish up that manuscript in the next few months. Thank you.

Michelle Glogovac (35:18.932)
I can't wait. You'll come back and I will read it cover to cover and we'll have another in-depth conversation that will help hopefully everybody who's listening and more.

Stephanie Kiser (35:24.027)
Thank you.

Yes, this one I feel might be a bit more pointed just because of the nature of the world and what we're going into. But I think it may, in my opinion, I don't know if my agent listens to this, she might have a different opinion. In my personal opinion, I think that we might need to get a bit more pointed about inequality issues. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (35:39.582)
Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (35:53.064)
Yeah, yep, I agree. Absolutely. You're delight. I like you. Where can everybody find you and pick up your butt?

Stephanie Kiser (35:59.565)
Please.

Stephanie Kiser (36:05.388)
I think you can find the book pretty much anywhere. I it's at Barnes and Nobles, it's on Amazon, it's on Target. I don't, you know, I think on the local bookstores, it seems to depend. Sometimes I go and they have it, sometimes they don't. And they can find me on Instagram. I'm at Steffi Kaiser. That is what you meant, right? Where to find me? Thank you. So fun.

Michelle Glogovac (36:23.954)
You are amazing. Yep, that is that's exactly it. Yes. Thank you so much, Stephanie. It was so good to talk to you.