Michelle Glogovac (00:01.032)
Hello, Victor.

Victor (00:03.316)
I'm Michelle, it's so great to see you. Thank you so much for having me today.

Michelle Glogovac (00:05.162)
It's so great to see you finally. I feel like we're best friends and we're family. I always say that if I have your phone number and we can text, then we are a new level and we have already been there. We've accomplished that level. So usually that level comes after an interview. You're ahead.

Victor (00:16.717)
Yes.

Victor (00:20.308)
Absolutely. Well, no, it's so great. mean, it's the awesome part about social media is that, you you follow someone and then you get to talk to them in real life or talk to them through this platform. And so it's great to finally meet you through a screen and then hopefully one day we can actually meet in person too.

Michelle Glogovac (00:38.334)
we totally are. Can you take a moment to introduce yourself to everybody since I'm already like, I know who you are. We're family, we're friends.

Victor (00:44.014)
Yeah, so I am a 22 year old. I graduated from college this past April from UCLA. I'm originally from Chicago where I was born and raised, born in the suburbs of Chicago and then my family and I, moved to the city of Chicago after my senior year of high school. So I've been here for about four years.

As of today, I most recently worked on the Harris campaign where I was doing a lot of youth communications and then at the end I took on this Writers for Harris initiative, which is how we met actually. And so I'm grateful that we met through that process and that campaign. And now I'm back in Chicago for the holidays with my family and trying to sort of see what's next. But that's a little bit about me in a nutshell.

Michelle Glogovac (01:29.866)
I feel like you're going to need some downtime. Like you just had some really intense months. You deserve some breathing room. And yet I know that you're back at it. I know you're out there still doing the things. But I want to go back to you started this whole political campaigning when you were 13. That's crazy. How does a 13 year old in eighth grade go, hmm, I think I want to go canvas for our candidate.

Victor (01:57.486)
Well, you know, I say this a lot, but it's why I believe so much in the people around you shaping sort of who you are. I I, up until 13 years old, I mean, I was just like any other 13 year old. I was like any other teenager at the time where it was video games. It was being with friends, going outside, just having fun. And then I was sitting in a classroom in eighth grade, my social studies classroom, and my eighth grade social studies teacher.

I ended up talking about at the time it was Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump in the 2016 Iowa caucuses. And there was just something about the way that she was talking about the political spectrum and the way that our politics is run and the difference between the two parties that just felt so interesting to me at the time. I don't even know sort of what specifically, but there was something about that that was bigger than sort of myself and that I wanted to be a part of. then at the end, she

encouraged all of her students to just go out there and knock on a door, try to talk to voters, try to, you know, go to a staging location for a candidate and say that, you know, I want to get involved. And so I followed her advice and it's probably one of the best things that I've done so far, because at that moment, when I walked into my first political office and then knocked on my first door, I mean, it really felt like you could have an impact sort of bigger than yourself. I know that's sort of a cliche now, but it's so it felt just so much bigger than myself. And I really enjoyed that process. And

continue that throughout high school, but it was all because of my social studies teacher. So I'm forever indebted to eighth grade social studies teacher, Miss Noodleman. I don't know if she's listening, but if she is, I appreciate her so much. Yes, yes.

Michelle Glogovac (03:26.764)
we should send it to us. That's amazing. Young people amaze me when they are on, because you truly do make a candidate's campaign. I've watched it here in San Jose with our mayor. When he was running, it was filled with young people. You're so impressive, the dedication, the hard work, because it is hard work. It is nonstop. But you give me so much hope that…

you we have these young people doing this, you're an adult, but you're a young adult, you know, you're not in your 40s going, really, do we have to go knock on doors? And yet so many people have never knocked on a door in their life. And that's tough. I know, I think, especially after we've had the pandemic where people want to sit at home, people don't want to interact with other people. Now we've had this election really from hell that

People don't want to talk to more people and we're all avoiding each other. So to go knock on a stranger's door.

Victor (04:27.106)
So to go knock on a stranger's door. Did I, hold on one second. I may have lost you in my AirPods for some reason. I can hear myself. you can? Yeah. Let me see, how does, does this work any better? For some reason it got disconnected from my AirPods so I don't know if that was the reason. Better? Okay, okay, awesome, sounds good.

Michelle Glogovac (04:36.862)
I can hear myself.

Michelle Glogovac (04:46.634)
Let me see. That's better. Yeah, I don't hear myself. Yeah. I don't know where my train of thought was, I know. Okay. Well, yes, knocking on doors. So we'll figure out where to cut that and keep going. But for someone to go to a stranger's house and then talk politics, talk issues, it's scary. And I think that we live in a world in which it's become even scarier. You don't know who's going to open the door. You don't know who's going to not want you to step foot on their property.

Victor (04:53.179)
knocking on doors.

Michelle Glogovac (05:16.1)
and so we have these young people like yourself who are going out and doing this work. What has that been like from your, at 13 you're knocking on doors. Like that's a big deal. And I'm sure that you've had those experiences are both positive and negative.

Victor (05:32.534)
Absolutely, yeah. mean, you're so right in terms of the just vast experiences you can have in politics. mean, one day you'll be talking to, you'll have an hour long conversation with someone and it'll be so meaningful and feel so impactful. And you can feel like, you you help them register to vote and that you help them convince, change their minds. But then other days, there are moments where, you know, you talk to someone and it's just totally like door slam shut in your face, just totally resistant to any sort of.

Message or conversation about the candidate that you're advocating for but at its core I think it is just being curious about who people are and what they care about and that's sort of what politics is and that's why I'm so grateful, know There's so many different ways that you can get into politics There's door knocking then you can start, you know working for a candidate on the communication side, but I really love starting off in organizing and I think that starting off knocking on doors talking to voters is such a good way of just understanding how people

or try to understand how people view the world and live their life and what makes them vote for a candidate over another candidate, why they choose to participate in politics. I think there's so much of that that happens on the organizing level that for me at least was so formative in how I viewed politics and how I sort of wanted to proceed with the rest of my sort of political career so far. But I definitely think that knocking on doors, talking to voters is such an important way of just

understanding people and really knowing how to talk to someone on like a one-on-one human level. And I think there's so much of that that gets lost sometimes in politics that we have to not to remind ourselves like these are people who have lives, these are people who care about issues, these are people who, know, things affect them in different ways. And I think talking to voters is one of the best ways to do that. But to your question about young person in politics, I think, like you said, candidates are very eager, I think, to get young people.

they always need help. They always want people to step in and take action. And young people are, at least in my experience, the young people who do get involved are very, very active. I think they want to help out in any way they can. And candidates for the most part and campaigns for the most part will welcome any young person with wide open arms because they know that young people are so crucial, not only for the future of our country, but also right now in this moment too.

Michelle Glogovac (07:49.886)
Yes, my youngest are, they're now eight and nine, but they were campaigning and canvassing at five and six, if not earlier. And of course, you, just a note for everybody that if you do bring little people with you, the doors don't get slammed in your face. They're good to bring along and warm people up, I think for sure. So then we go through high school.

Victor (07:57.283)
my gosh.

Victor (08:05.07)
Yes.

Michelle Glogovac (08:15.626)
And you become the youngest delegate invited to the DNC for Joe Biden. Kind of a big deal.

Victor (08:22.22)
Yeah. No, I mean, at the time it felt so just there was so much luck in it because the way that people run to become a delegate, it's a very esoteric process. Basically, you have to go and it's different depending on which state you in. But for Illinois, for instance, you have to go through a whole.

petition process, you have to gather signatures during the winter time, you're on a ballot with five other candidates. And at the time, they were all state senators, state elected officials, they were all people who were like insiders and politics in Illinois. And the way that it works in Illinois, at least is it's proportional to how many votes that candidate gets in your district. So in my district, for instance, Biden got 60 % of the votes, which meant that three out of his five delegates went and I barely eeked out third place and

just that sort of by the way of how many votes Biden got, I ended up being the youngest delegate. But that was such a wild experience because as you remember, I 2020 was pandemic and there was supposed to be an in-person convention and then it ended up being remote. So that was a totally different experience, but definitely an unforgettable one. And just logging onto the convention floor for my bedroom was definitely an experience I will never forget. And I'm grateful that I had that experience for sure.

Michelle Glogovac (09:36.586)
That's amazing. And then how did you get involved with the Harris campaign this year? How does that just transition? feel like people obviously know who you are and they're like, just call Victor. Let him be a part of our team.

Victor (09:46.307)
you

Yeah, I mean, I was involved in the Biden Harris campaign in 2020. So I and then I sort of stayed involved in the Biden world. I was intern at the White House. And so I had some people who I definitely just wanted to stay in touch with. And I was telling people, you know, I'm graduating a quarter early. I'm definitely ready to get involved. And so just by sort of the way things worked out, they were seeking someone who would help with youth communications. And so they were like, hey, look, we have this position available. Why don't you apply? And so I.

did that, went through the process, and then I graduated at the beginning of April. A week later, got the call saying that, you know, we want in Wilmington, Delaware. So I moved from Chicago to Delaware, which is a very different city from Chicago and LA. And I was, it was definitely quiet and a much smaller city, but moved to Delaware at the beginning of April and then have been there until, was there until November, but throughout my time there, just so much happened from

candidate switch to, as you know, the convention, to debates, and just couldn't be a more memorable first job experience. And of course, not the outcome that any of us wanted, but I think the fight continues now.

Michelle Glogovac (10:59.828)
For sure. And I graduated a quarter early too from UC Santa Barbara. So another one. Yeah. No wonder we're overachievers. Then you also have a podcast and I was perusing through all of your past episodes and the people that you have met and interviewed, like, I told you before, I'm going to grow up to be you.

Victor (11:02.969)
my gosh.

Yes.

Victor (11:26.254)
You already are. I want to grow up to be you.

Michelle Glogovac (11:28.646)
No, no, I did not spend Thanksgiving with Kathy Griffin and Selma Blair. You though did and that's knowledge because you put it on your Instagram. yeah, I'm not sharing secrets, but you've interviewed these incredible people. How did you do this?

Victor (11:48.012)
Yeah, I'm sure you can relate just through just reaching out to people, booking people on the podcast, but I actually, I no longer do the podcast. I stopped that when I joined the Harris campaign in April, but was doing it for four years. started, it was one of those like, you know, everyone kind of developed pandemic hobbies. Some people started knitting. Some people did other things that gave them a lot of purpose and fulfillment, but I ended up meeting through actually running to become a delegate, Jill Weinbanks, my cohost for four years. And we just ended up talking about how

at the time, there weren't a lot of young people supporting then candidate Biden. But there were a lot of people on the older side who weren't. So she was like, how can we create this intergenerational concept of getting young people and people across the generational spectrum to support then candidate Biden? so I was like, podcasts are very popular at the time. We were just booking people from our own contact list. We were booking people in the Chicagoland area, the congressman I worked for. And then at some point I was like,

you why don't we look for some other people who can come on the show? And so I started reaching out to more people and it sort of took off from there. And as you know, once you sort of get one guest in your email can say, we've had XYZ person on and pitch your podcast a little bit more. And so it's a total, it was just a total journey. throughout that process got to meet so many incredible people from elected officials to writers to authors to people in the news industry and just have

just meaningful conversations and I love the podcast format because you do get to have those conversations in a way that you can't on cable news where it's just a minute, two minute sound bite. it was definitely one of the best experiences in college and just loved every second of doing it.

Michelle Glogovac (13:31.05)
And feel like we saw that play a big part too in this campaign, this election. And I hope that it's going to stick to a certain point. And I hope that we're going to see smaller podcasts get politicians on to reach a new audience. I am not a big fan of some of these bigger podcasters. We don't even mention that name on this show or in life. He doesn't need any more publicity. But I thought that it was great that

Victor (13:46.177)
Absolutely.

Victor (13:54.07)
Yes.

Michelle Glogovac (14:00.724)
both of these candidates started looking at, we need to do podcasts because I've been saying it for years, but I am just me. I'm not on any of these campaigns, but I think that it helps connect because you are talking to somebody who's just a regular person. It's not a TV personality. It's not a news anchor who has their scripted questions, although I would assume that they have to have the scripted questions for a candidate. to me, it's a different level because we're regular people.

Victor (14:05.112)
Mm-hmm.

Victor (14:29.891)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (14:30.686)
and we just want to have this conversation. So you get to do it in your own words.

Victor (14:33.364)
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it also lends itself to more authentic and meaningful conversations. And at least the people who I've seen come on the show, I there are some elected officials who I think tend to just stick to talking points, but you can really bring out something within people and show a different side of elected officials and show the human side of people. And I think people are craving that. And a lot of people who maybe don't trust elected officials because they always see the side of them that is very scripted and polished.

can see a different side of them on podcasts. And so definitely agree with you, podcasts are, I think that lends itself to a different way of communicating and a different way of receiving messages that you can't get through traditional news sources.

Michelle Glogovac (15:16.968)
What is your intention or hope for the future? Are you going to run for something or do you want to continue supporting candidates that you believe in?

Victor (15:25.466)
Yeah, definitely not running for anything. think running to become a delegate was the most I will do in my life. yeah, mean helping out I think with candidates, with organizations. Throughout college I sort of mostly did communications internships, love the comms world, the press world, love writing in general. I majored in English in college which is...

how I love just writing and literature and all of that, but definitely communications for candidates, I think, at least in the short term, and then we'll see what happens in the long term, but definitely no plans of running and have no inkling of running anytime soon.

Michelle Glogovac (16:01.418)
It's a different world. Your whole personal life is out there for all to slaughter. Yeah, it's very different. And it's funny because as I'm getting more involved in politics and wanting to do more to make a difference, there's always the encouragement of outsiders, you we need more women to run. We need more people to get out there and put their name forward.

Victor (16:04.238)
Totally, totally.

Victor (16:09.1)
Yep. Yep.

Michelle Glogovac (16:28.99)
There's always that inkling in the back of my mind of, I, shouldn't I? But then I think being in California is also very different because at least right now we have a lot of blue and that's where I would run. In case anyone listening was wondering where I lean, it would be blue. Whereas I think that we have other states that I would be more beneficial to, but I'm not moving to go run for office somewhere else. So in that sense, it's like, well, where do you begin? Well, you support.

Victor (16:44.941)
Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (16:58.856)
the people who are already in office, I think.

Victor (17:00.552)
Exactly. Yep, absolutely. And there are so many talented people who are either running for office or are already in office. And I think that that definitely is the way that we can sort of get involved. If we don't run for office, it's just supporting all of the talented, amazing Democrats who I think are on the state and local levels who need support and need all the help that they can.

Michelle Glogovac (17:22.698)
Let's talk about your parents. What do they think of, you were 13 and you're starting this, your parents have to be very proud. I'd be thrilled if my nine-year-old was like, yeah, mom, I'm going to go and join the campaign. But is this something that was the norm or did this take them by surprise and then to where you are today? they like, wow, you know the president. You've met the president.

Victor (17:33.761)
Victor (17:50.158)
I mean, it's definitely, mean, so about my parents, both my parents have no sort of involvement in politics. I grew up in a single only family household, so it was just me. And my dad's an engineer for AT &T, my mom is a financial analyst. So they've been in just totally separate worlds. And I think, you know, coming from an Asian household, I think there's a lot of sort of the culture with an Asian household is just, know, do the stable path. Don't, you know, put your head down, do the work and...

I don't know, I've always just felt like that was, know, a lot of my friends did that, but I never really felt fulfilled doing that. You know, I did all the classic math clubs in junior high school and tried out STEM, like science Olympiad for a year, hated that. But I just love people. I love telling stories. I love helping people and hopefully making a positive impact in this world. And I just feel like you can't really do that if you just have a traditional nine to five job.

at a company or a corporate company. I just have never really been interested in that. And so when I told them that I was interested in politics, think at first they had some reservations. They were like, well, it's a difficult path to go down. And it's, of course, a lot of politics is dependent on who you know. for better or for worse, it's a very sort of insider-y industry. so I told them, well, let's just see how it goes. I told them that I started in eighth grade and then

we'll see how it goes throughout high school and then in college, you maybe I'll end up being a computer science degree or anything like that. But I think they realized by like senior year of high school when it was like delegate and then when I started working full time for the Biden Harris campaign that perhaps they could step back a little bit and trust me. I think that was just, that's such an awesome position to be in. I think as a child and of course, you know, as parents having some say over like what your kid is doing is of course a good thing, but giving your, think,

just child or children, that freedom to explore what they want to explore and cultivate their passions and follow their interests is so important. And at least for me is how I of stumbled across that during college and really found my passion and interest for going down a political route. And who knows, maybe in the future I'll get tired of this, but at least for now I think I'm definitely grateful that my parents allow me that space and freedom to explore this world. And I think now they definitely are like, you know.

Victor (20:13.589)
Maybe it wasn't all for nothing.

Michelle Glogovac (20:17.64)
Maybe not, you're a big deal, Victor, you are. You've succeeded in so many ways. I'm blown away. I have to tell you the sweetest email that you sent me, and I died laughing and I told friends, I had sent you an email and you responded four hours later apologizing on taking so long to reply. I went, bless his heart, he has no idea. Some of these people take weeks.

Victor (20:21.503)
that's so kind.

Michelle Glogovac (20:46.46)
You're amazing!

Victor (20:46.903)
you

Thank you. I remember that email. mean, was during, it was like the last two weeks or last week of the campaign and it was right in the thick of it. But I remember seeing it I was like, I try my best. I don't like when people take weeks to respond to things. And so like, try also not to be that person, but it's just, I think, yeah, that was a crazy time. And it felt like forever ago, but it was really only like a month ago, basically.

Michelle Glogovac (21:13.84)
Isn't that sad? We've lived lifetimes during this time. And it was. It was like the last two weeks and I knew that you were crazy busy and I was like, I'm feeling guilty even sending this, but if I don't ask, then I'm not going to get. And then you were just so generous and responding so quickly. I'm like, that's when I was, for me, I feel like I'm just a constituent. And there's nothing just about any constituent, but I'm simply just one person that

Victor (21:15.829)
Yes, yes.

Michelle Glogovac (21:43.69)
doesn't know you, you don't know me, and yet I sent you an email and you responded so quickly, so generously. I think that if everybody got to have such an engagement with a campaign, maybe people would be more apt to being involved. I was blown away by the statistic that the percentage of people who actually donate to a campaign is, what was it like, is it 5 % of people or voters?

Victor (22:11.31)
Yeah, like very smooth. Yeah, yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (22:12.732)
It's so minuscule. And I was like, wow, then I'm doing fantastic because I've donated to a number of campaigns at this point. And it doesn't have to be much, but it's amazing that people don't get more involved. And yet so many are going to yell and scream about the outcomes, yet some don't even vote. Some aren't paying attention. They don't do their research. I don't know how we get more people involved.

Victor (22:20.174)
Yeah.

Victor (22:33.41)
Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (22:39.722)
And we don't want to dissect the campaign, but I know that people are now saying, well, maybe canvassing doesn't work the way it did. But yet podcasts, maybe those do work. And so how do we move forward to reach all of these voters across the board in the way that's going to make the most impact and have people pay more attention? That part just blows me away that people aren't paying attention or they're paying attention to one single thing that they think might apply to them.

and then they ignore the rest.

Victor (23:12.482)
It's the question that keeps me up at night for sure. mean, given we've talked a lot about podcasts and the types of conversations that we're having, to reach people in this day and age is harder than we've ever experienced before. I with all the different ways that people consume information and digest information from social media to gaming platforms, to all these different platforms. I mean, it's so hard to actually reach people where they are at, but I think.

Podcasts like this one, think conversations like this one where you're just talking to someone one-on-one is the best way that we can influence the people in our lives. And I think that actually has a ripple effect. I mean, when you knock on a door and when you talk to someone face-to-face and when you're able to change their minds, the likelihood of them then talking to maybe their friends or the people in their networks increases. And so I think that comes a ripple effect or like every conversation that we have can inspire more people.

And it's a sure way of knowing that you you can influence someone right? I think often on social media I think a lot about for instance, you know, like will this actually reach the people it needs to reach? Will this convince that person because it is sort of all anonymous I mean, you don't know who's reading it You don't know what type of impact that post might have But at least when you're talking to someone face to face and when you're having that one-on-one conversation You can you can understand them better You can you can tailor your messages to that person based off of how they're reacting and you can really I think get to them in a way that you can't

just via social media. So I still believe in that power of canvassing and I also believe that podcasts, like this one matter so much in terms of being that local messenger. And I think being that local messenger, being that trusted messenger matters so much now more than ever before, given just all the sort of mass ways that we try to reach people. I think it's actually the small and local ways that we reach people that matter the most.

Michelle Glogovac (24:57.226)
I agree. So when you need to hire a podcast coordinator for the next campaign, you know who to call.

Victor (25:04.334)
Yes, exactly. I do. Yes.

Michelle Glogovac (25:07.018)
Because we're going to work together. We're going to do some big things. I just know it. And we do need to reach the local. It amazed me here locally. We had some school board candidates that were running, and we had one that was Moms for Liberty. And I did a whole episode on, need to focus our research on who that is, everybody, and what that is about. That person won.

Victor (25:11.422)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Michelle Glogovac (25:33.95)
And then there was outrage after the results came in. went, yeah, like you gotta do your research. I think that people, whether it's they are overwhelmed with how many ballots there are and not ballots, propositions there are and different candidates, this is something that's so important. And I think people, they forget, they take advantage of it. It's just, I'm gonna fill in the bubble with whatever or I'm not gonna vote. It doesn't matter.

But this is such a huge deal that impacts your life and especially on a local level. Yes, the big stuff, the presidential campaign is huge, but what's happening in your backyard is really what you need to focus on first and foremost because it'll trickle all the way up and all the way down.

Victor (26:20.108)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Michelle Glogovac (26:23.732)
So I don't know where we go from there.

Victor (26:26.67)
I think it's continuing. I think just reiterating that notion of having these conversations, think talking to the people in our lives. think so many people now are seeking that sense of community. I mean, for instance, I went to this one reading of a Shakespeare play, and that totally was what I needed in this moment. I think people are just looking for that sense of community, that sense of just being with each other now. mean, the Surgeon General has done so much work talking about how right now we're in this period of

increased lowliness and isolation, think just finding those ways that people can connect with each other and find that sense of shared space and interest and community is so important. And I think listening to podcasts like this one helps people get that sense, right? I mean, it's how people can find ways back to each other and listen to just people talking to each other. And I think that sort of connectivity is something that we need now and is hopefully part of the way that we...

we come back because a lot of people I think are feeling a little bit numb, are feeling a little bit dispirited by what's going on. Hopefully this and finding those ways that we can foster those dialogues and conversations and communities will be that first step to coming back stronger and better than before.

Michelle Glogovac (27:37.29)
I agree so much. Loneliness and community, they're the two themes that keep popping up in everything I'm doing, all the conversations. Shannon Watts was just here in San Jose. She talked about community and, you know, yeah, they're the two big things that we're experiencing loneliness, I think, in new ways than ever before. I think the definition is expanding exponentially, unfortunately, and people don't know how to build that community because we've had such a long amount of time.

Victor (27:41.731)
Yeah.

Victor (27:47.212)
Yeah, absolutely.

Michelle Glogovac (28:06.196)
being isolated in our homes for a while. And now I think that social media really makes us more isolated from going out. I mean, I can't tell you how often I say to my kids, I hate people because we have a two mile drive to school. And I'm like, ugh, you just, everybody driving. No, two miles, two miles, not two hours. No. dear God, no, I would not survive two miles. And I'm like, I'm done for the day.

Victor (28:22.426)
my gosh, two hours. two miles. I you said two hours. my gosh, I was...

Wow.

Michelle Glogovac (28:33.706)
But it's that I just want to be at home and I want to be in my sweats and be comfy and not worry about what somebody else is believing or saying or spewing because we see social media. Thanks. We get to see what the ugliness is that's out there. And now you see it on your screen and yeah, I'd rather stay home than go deal with that. So finding ways to build that community is so important. And you are doing the work, my friend.

You're amazing. I will sing your praises. If I was your mom, I'd be like, my God, love you. You're amazing. I'm so proud of you. I'm going to say that though as your friend and your extended family, I am so proud to know you and to see what you're doing. It's incredible.

Victor (29:14.638)
Thank you.

Victor (29:20.526)
Thank you so much. Well, likewise to you. I think, I mean, truly, democracy is built up by people doing small things in their communities and not even small things. I mean, just any action. Like you mentioned that you donated to campaigns and you're doing this podcast and you're helping candidates get elected up and down the ballot. I that is what matters. And that is what takes this democracy being uplifted and being supported by people across the nation. So I say the same right back at you. Thank you.

Michelle Glogovac (29:45.482)
Thank you. Where can everybody follow you so they can keep tabs on what's next and live through all of your food journeys too? We didn't even talk about your foodie. You make me hungry all the time.

Victor (29:56.238)
Well, LA has definitely made me foodie for sure, but I'm on basically all the platforms, Instagram. I'm not so much on Twitter these days given how things have turned out and it's just a cesspool. Yes, exactly. But I am. People are going to clear skies on Blue Sky. I'm on Blue Sky. And just if you look up Victor SHI, you should be able to find me there.

Michelle Glogovac (30:09.396)
Firestorm.

Michelle Glogovac (30:20.252)
You're amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me. I am absolutely honored because you are a busy, busy person. Appreciate you so much.

Victor (30:25.262)
course.

thank you so much, Michelle. It's my pleasure. Thank you.