Michelle Glogovac (00:00.932)
Hi, Becky. It's so good to see you. I love, it's been a little while since we've gotten to hang out and chat together. So I'm looking forward to this.

Becky Ellis (00:02.66)
Hi Michelle.

Becky Ellis (00:11.114)
Me too, I love talking to you.

Michelle Glogovac (00:13.368)
you're so sweet. Can you introduce yourself to everyone, please?

Becky Ellis (00:17.656)
Yes, I'm Becky Ellis and I'm the author of Little Avalanches, a memoir. And yeah, that's who I am. I'm so much more. I also teach and coach writing and I'm the daughter of a combat sergeant from World War II and I'm a mother of three daughters and yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (00:26.318)
but you're so much more.

Michelle Glogovac (00:37.326)
See, that's a lot. And your memoir ties into truly all of that, which is why it's so unique in the way you've put it out there with your perspective and then hearing your dad's story. Let's talk. Let's just dive in and talk about your memoir, because it's also I feel like it's not just your story like memoir wise, but it's also the story of your dad's. So it's almost biographical in a way.

Becky Ellis (01:07.362)
Yes, it is. It's written in three parts because it was really hard to figure out how to create a memoir that was also about someone else because memoirs supposed to be about one slice of one person's life. But I wanted this story to be at least two parts of my life and also two parts of my dad's life so that I could show the generational impact of war. And that's really hard to do.

and it's hard to accomplish empathy and understanding without knowing the other person's story is basically how it went for me. So it is the first part of the book is my childhood and I present it to the reader the way I experienced it, which is I experienced my childhood without knowing anything about my dad's wartime experience. And he was a combat sergeant, World War II. He was a rifleman. So he crossed the front lines first.

Michelle Glogovac (01:43.481)
Yes.

Becky Ellis (02:05.534)
and his division, the 104th, which were called the Timberwolves, they had the longest time of continuous battle of any other infantry division in World War II. They were on the battlefield for 195 days straight, which is a long time, it's six months, over six months. And he came back and wouldn't talk about it. But he, of course, was very traumatized and kind of acted out on his experience. So as a child,

I knew my dad was different. I knew he'd been in a war, but I knew nothing else about it. And then he started talking to me about it when he was 89. And so I wanted to offer the reader that experience of understanding what his experience was after they experienced my childhood. So they could feel the empathy that I felt once I understood my dad's story.

Most people don't like my dad very much when they finish part one. Some people really don't like him. But as soon as they're two pages into part two, I think people confront not only the empathy that I might have, but they confront their own capacity for empathy and compassion.

Michelle Glogovac (03:23.404)
Yes, and it's something that we still grapple with today that veterans come home and they don't talk about it. They don't get the help that they need. Not much has changed since World War II, which is really unfortunate. But yeah, I remember reading the book and reading what you'd been through and I was like, my goodness. And she still talked to him after all this. But then as you go on and you build the story of

not only what he went through, but then how you talked about it as two adults and he opened up to you and your eyes were open. Therefore, the reader's eyes are open too of, now we get it. And I think that's got to be true for so many. I know that we bonded over my association with, you my father-in-law's division in World War II and how so many men come and say, I haven't shared any of these stories with my kids. Maybe it's time before it's too late.

or getting to that point where it's almost too late for many.

Becky Ellis (04:24.898)
Right. Yeah. Well, for most World War II veterans, is. And it was and is still. I believe veterans kind of live behind a veil of silence. And so do their families. The veteran doesn't talk about it. And so I know I was trained into silence as well in the way of role modeling. Like, yeah, we don't talk about that kind of stuff. And I was at a presentation at a veterans group.

Michelle Glogovac (04:27.65)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (04:54.296)
just a couple of months ago and the mayor of Beaverton, which is in Oregon, is a combat veteran. And she introduced me and she stood there and said, the story is important. I won't even tell my mom what happened to me in combat and I know I need to. And she was holding her baby who was like, I don't know, six months old. She had her in a little front pack, which was really cute. But she's standing there knowing that she needs to tell her story so that her

mother and her children will understand her, but she said, I don't want to burden them. And I thought, and there it is. I think veterans don't tell their families because they are so burdened with the wounds and the weight of war and any military service really, not just combat, but they don't want to talk about it, I think, because they don't want to put that burden that they're carrying onto somebody else. And I think what they don't realize is

we carry it with them anyway. Like we feel their suffering, we feel their pain. And as a child, I felt my dad's wounds so deeply, but I didn't understand them. I didn't even understand them as a woman, a teenager, young woman, or a middle-aged woman. It wasn't until I was 49, 50 that he opened up and started talking to me. And I finally understood who he was. And then I could understand myself so much about

Michelle Glogovac (06:20.9)
What a gift.

Becky Ellis (06:22.486)
Yeah, and it changed even my relationship with my three daughters because understanding myself and, this is why I'm like this, this is why I do this, right? Now I understand why I can be a sergeant myself sometimes, which I think I'm so sweet and kind of nice. And my kids are like, you're a little strict, mom. Like who, me? I'm so sweet. How could I be strict?

Michelle Glogovac (06:39.992)
Right.

Becky Ellis (06:49.348)
But seeing that in my dad really helped me understand it in myself and kind of heal a lot of that for my children too.

Michelle Glogovac (06:49.977)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (06:59.224)
What was that like to sit down and have that first conversation and how did it start? Because I know it was a difficult one. I know that you cover this in the book. Walk us through what that was like, because I know many would love to have these conversations and don't know where to even begin.

Becky Ellis (07:15.598)
Yeah, it's really hard to have the hard conversations. I want to acknowledge that. And I also want to acknowledge that some people aren't safe to have conversations with. So we all have to feel safe before we're going to go into a deep conversation with someone. And I had maintained a relationship with my dad over all the years. I think all little girls, all young women, all grown women, we want to have

a great relationship with our dad. We want to love our dad. We want our dad to love us. And I was always attached to that and holding on to that and going for that. And my dad came to visit me when he was 89. And I truly believe his mortality finally caught up to him. He was a person who said he was going to outlive all of us. Like never worry about him. He was going to outlive all of us. And I think he had this mentality of nothing can get me because

on the battlefield, everybody perished except my dad and a handful of guys, and he knew it was luck. And so I think he thought about his mortality every day, but he also sort of thought, it's not gonna catch up to me. I think it was this really strange paradox. So he came to visit me in my home in Portland, Oregon, and he was sitting, he came twice a year to visit, and he was there. My kids were at school.

and we were sitting in the kitchen and I was making him a tuna sandwich, which was already weird enough because my dad never ate out of cans after the war. I ate out of garbage cans in the war. He wouldn't eat up, not soup, not beans, nothing out of a can, but he wanted tuna that day. So, okay, I'm making him tuna. And from across the kitchen, he says to me, hey, Becky, do we have any issues to clear up? And I thought, what's happening? Like, did I forget to leave towels for him in the bathroom or?

I don't know, like does he think I was doing some weird passive aggressive thing? What did I do in the last five minutes? Because my dad did not talk about the past. Not five years ago, not really five minutes ago. And so I thought, what did I do that he, you know, thought I might be offended or something? And I looked at him and I realized, he's not talking about right now. He's talking about, he's finally talking about the past. And I said,

Becky Ellis (09:39.428)
What are you talking about, Dad? He said, I want to know if we have any issues to clear up. And at first I deflected. I said, you need to talk to Martin and Shana. You know, they're my siblings, because my little sister, I think, had it worse than I did. And he said, I'm going to talk to them. I'm talking to you now. And I stood there. And of course, you know, like a reel went through my mind of all the things I could clear up with him, because there were a lot of things.

He had us learn to shoot guns at a really young age. He had my teeth drilled without novocaine. I had this super painful procedure on my arm when I was a kid that felt very torturous. And so there were a lot of things. He married four times, had eight kids, and never explained any of it to any of us. He abandoned his first family. And I just intuitively said, I want to know about the war.

because I felt like that's where a lot of this started. And he said back to me, all you need to know is my feet were frozen for 172 days, because that's how long he lasted on the battlefield. And I said, I'm sure there's more. And so my dad raised me in his likeness to be super relentless at times and very persistent. And back and forth, we went, you know, probably for about an hour, you know, you don't need to know that. Well, I want to know dad.

You you asked me if we had issues. And in the book, it's condensed to two paragraphs, but it was really about an hour long. We went back and forth and finally he said, okay. And then he started rattling things off and I grabbed a little scratch pad and started writing stuff down and he would look over at it and correct me. And I mean, we had to start at the very beginning. I didn't know how armies were set up or units. I didn't know what a battalion was. I didn't know anything because he wouldn't talk about it. So.

Michelle Glogovac (11:33.112)
That's amazing. And you in the book, I love that you chronicle, it's like his diary entries of this is what happened every single day. This is what we went through because so many people don't know this. They still, it's the greatest generation there ever was. And yet we forget. We don't, and I, it's very much present in our lives, but so many

Becky Ellis (11:33.314)
That's how it started. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (12:02.2)
aren't talking about it, they don't remember, they don't look back on it. And yet you've chronicled all of this for us, which is so incredible and beautiful that it's a gift to us. You can literally see what someone went through firsthand and then how it all played a part in his life and then future generations too.

Becky Ellis (12:25.228)
Yeah, thank you. And you know, when he told me his story, it wasn't one conversation. It stretched into two and three and then a week long. then every time we talked, he lived another seven years till he was 96. Every time we talked, he said, I need to tell you about this or I forgot to tell you about that. So once he got going, he really, really opened up. And I wrote his entire story down and I had to put it in chronological order because

It didn't come out that way. He didn't say, okay, day one, day two, day four. It was a mind fresh with trauma. He would go from the battle in Cologne back to the ship coming over to France, to Utah beach. It was all over the place. And when I wrote it all down, it was 300 pages. And I had to distill that down. I think it's about 42 pages in the book. And it is from the trenches.

It's day by day from the trenches and it is war without glory because as a child and a young woman, I watched a ton of war movies trying to understand my father. And I kept thinking, well, this isn't it. Even Band of Brothers, which I thought got close the end really upset me because I'm like, wait a second.

They're making it seem like they're all going home and are gonna live this great life. They're not gonna live this great life. Like yes, they get to go home. Yes, that's amazing. And yes, they will find moments of joy. But the battle is just starting for a lot of them. And veterans will say that. Like once I got home, the real battle started. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (14:01.24)
Yeah. And you're coming home to people who have no idea what you just lived through. I think that's why so many of them have kept in such close contact when they come home because they're comrades. They understand. They saw what the other was going through. They felt it. They witnessed it. And then you come home to us, and this is why I think they don't want to, quote unquote, anyone with their story because it's so unimaginable.

Becky Ellis (14:29.496)
Yes.

Michelle Glogovac (14:29.962)
this is truly what war is like. This is what happens. This is what you see. It's mind blowing. mean, you you think of a soldier who goes out there and you shoot to kill and, know, whatever the orders are, and that is literally what you have to do. And then you should just go home, get on a plane, you know, be with your family and that's it.

Becky Ellis (14:32.74)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (14:51.768)
Right? And the thing is, my dad talked a lot about how you have to be dehumanized in order to fight in a war. And he said, that's what the military training is for, is to dehumanize you. You can't run into machine gun fire. You can't shoot and kill unless you are dehumanized. And when you come home, there's no rehumanizing of any kind. You know, it's, yeah, go back home, go back to your family.

And a lot of veterans talk about, especially combat veterans, talk about how the battle with themselves then begins. And that's why the veteran suicide rate is so high. And we don't do a good enough job helping veterans reintegrate. I think we have to do better.

Michelle Glogovac (15:36.024)
Yeah, there's so much we're lacking on that it needs improvement. And all of these things baffle me as to why we're not doing more. I will not understand it. Our focus is really messed up in a lot of ways and in the wrong places. What... Go ahead.

Becky Ellis (15:41.741)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Ellis (15:53.056)
Right. And any, I was just going to say anytime I hear in the news, you know, there was that veteran in Colorado Springs who was at a nightclub and there was a shooter and the veteran saved everybody. He attacked the shooter instinctually. It took over. he talks about, and he was written up in several articles and one of the interviews with him, he talks about he was a thread away from killing the guy.

And then we had the veteran on the subway in Manhattan a couple of years ago in New York, and he didn't stop himself. And he killed a homeless person. And whatever triggered him to do that, you can be a hero or a villain as a veteran. And there is a fine thread of a line that pushes you from being one to the other. And I think that people don't really understand that very well.

Michelle Glogovac (16:37.444)
Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (16:50.776)
Yeah. We're watching, this is slightly random, not we're watching Shrinking on Apple. And there is a veteran who is in it he's a young man. And he has those moments where there's something that triggers him and he's just going to go beat somebody up. you're watching that going, this is, he has not dealt with, and he's obviously seeing a therapist, the whole show is about therapists. But, you know, to get to that point of,

Becky Ellis (16:56.483)
Mm.

Michelle Glogovac (17:19.262)
what is not going to trigger me and if it does trigger me, how do I handle it and making sure you don't go over that line. This is not normal. Going to war is not normal.

Becky Ellis (17:33.602)
Right. And to bring it back to the family, the thing I wanted to understand and write about and share is what it's like to be raised in a family with someone who walks that fine line of being hero or villain, because it's an hourly decision, right? And my dad was triggered a lot when, his whole life actually, he was triggered a lot. And as a child growing up in that, you know, I...

Michelle Glogovac (17:48.356)
Hmm.

Becky Ellis (18:03.972)
I grew up being very guarded and very closed and very careful. It's like people who are raised by an alcoholic. I walk in a room, even still today, and I see who's there, where they are, what's going on. Like I am on high alert almost all the time. And how this has affected me as a woman is like my adrenals have been shot since, for a few years now, because I've lived my whole life on high alert. And

Michelle Glogovac (18:32.164)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (18:33.93)
it's I'm getting better and that's the work right that's the work of healing it's like no we don't have to be on high alert all the time anymore but that's how it's passed down and what I really wanted is people to understand that how this is passed on to children and what the child's experience is because there were no books there was one other book I could find called Falling Through the Earth which is a beautiful book about a woman

whose father was in Vietnam, but nothing else about the children's experience. And there's not really a voice for children in the war narrative. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (19:06.702)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

What has the reaction been to fellow Timber Wolf families? Because I know you hang out with them, you've gone on trips with them. What has that reaction been? Are there some that are like, I wish that I had this as well type of thing?

Becky Ellis (19:20.695)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (19:28.652)
Yeah, you know the common theme, I just went to Belgium and the Netherlands with them in October and the common theme is, yeah, my dad or grandfather or uncle, whatever their lineage is, they wouldn't talk about it either, nothing. A couple of them, their parents would talk, but most of them, no, not at all. And so they feel really grateful that they have this

this story, even though it's not their grandfather's story or their father's story, they can now understand what their relative went through. And I get emails all the time saying, thank you so much. This is such a gift. Yeah. And it was wild when I first met them. It was just a couple of years ago and they have a luncheon.

Michelle Glogovac (20:14.177)
amazing.

Becky Ellis (20:22.326)
a couple times a year and sitting across the table, it was so weird. It was like being with family because there are these, I can't tell you what they are, but there are these little phrases that are familial, you know, each of our families. When you go to someone else's house, you can pick up on, their family kind of says this in this way. Around that table, I noticed they sound like my family. It's so weird, like what these men picked up on that.

Michelle Glogovac (20:38.094)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Ellis (20:49.89)
battlefield and pass down to us just little turns of phrases and things. It was wild. So there's something, there's something that connects us.

Michelle Glogovac (20:57.22)
That's amazing. There is, because we go every year and it's like a big family reunion. say, you know, there's over a hundred of us and we get together and of course we keep in touch throughout the year and it is truly like just getting together with family and everyone, it's that common thread too. We've all been there, we all understand, we want better, you know, and this is our time to come together to make sure that nobody forgets. So I totally get that.

Becky Ellis (21:23.98)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (21:27.788)
Yeah, there should be more of us getting together outside of our divisions.

Becky Ellis (21:32.236)
Right, we should, we should. It's important and it's conversation that connects us. know, silence separates us and stories connect us and conversations heal us. And I think that no matter what our trauma is, we really need to start having deeper conversations and saying the thing that we're not saying. It's my belief that everybody has something that they are not saying. It's a really hard thing.

Michelle Glogovac (21:34.425)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (21:40.366)
Hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (21:59.34)
yes.

Becky Ellis (22:01.88)
and to find a safe place to say that thing and say your truth, which sounds so trite and so cliche. But if you dig deep enough, I think there's something every family is just not really talking about and how that silence really profoundly shapes who we are.

Michelle Glogovac (22:23.874)
I absolutely agree. And that's why I love having these conversations to hopefully bring more conversations. But I think you're absolutely right. What aren't we talking about? And I think there's shame around it of, well, if we let people know what really happened 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago, then they might look down on me today. And we shouldn't, because there's the lack of empathy.

Becky Ellis (22:34.563)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (22:52.708)
There was, whoever Oprah's book club pick is for this month, she said that there's a lack of sadness in the world. And the fact that we can't be sad for others when we hear their story is why we can't empathize and why there is such a lack of empathy right now. And that's exactly it. I think that when you hear someone's story, if it doesn't move you, then there's something that's lacking.

Becky Ellis (23:00.471)
you

Becky Ellis (23:20.034)
Right, right.

Michelle Glogovac (23:21.572)
And so I think that if we have more of these conversations, then we can build upon that sadness. Not that we want everyone to be sad, but to be able to be sad for someone means that we can understand what they've been through.

Becky Ellis (23:34.36)
Yeah, and you know, I think people want to have the conversations, but I don't think that we know how, which is super interesting because my book came out in March of 2024, and I've been out talking to tons of people, not just veterans. And there's this theme that kept coming up, like, Becky, how do we start the conversation? How do we have the hard conversation? And I think people expected me to be the conversation expert, you know?

And it's great, you know, I will go there because I I'm that kind of person. I was trained by my dad now also to have the deep conversation. Right. Our conversation lasted seven years. I've had him with my kids now. I've had him with a lot of people now. And so I've started putting out a newsletter that every month I share. Here's a really hard or messy conversation that I had. And here's how it went. Here's how I had it. And

It's interesting, think people are really wanting to share something because they're asking that question over and over. Well, how do we do this?

Michelle Glogovac (24:42.85)
love that. Do you think it's harder to have the conversations with someone that you're related to versus more like strangers?

Becky Ellis (24:52.356)
think that depends on the relationship really. Because for me, I would say sometimes it depends on which one of my relatives actually. Which one holds a grudge, which one is spiteful, you know, or which one is super open and I feel so loved by them that I know anything I say will be okay. Right? And I have friends who some it's easier and some it's harder. You know, some are more open to it and some...

Michelle Glogovac (25:02.436)
Mm.

Michelle Glogovac (25:13.966)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Ellis (25:21.762)
Some are tougher, you know? So I don't know.

Michelle Glogovac (25:23.906)
Yeah. So hopefully all of us are the easy open friends that are willing to have these conversations.

Becky Ellis (25:32.956)
And it's hard to stay open. I have people ask me, you know, did you find closure with your dad? And I did not find closure. What happened was my heart broke about a thousand times when he was talking to me. And I feel like it broke open and I don't ever want it to close again because now that it's open, I can have those conversations. And I think that we're not really looking for closure. We're looking for opening.

Michelle Glogovac (25:52.164)
Mm.

Becky Ellis (26:01.988)
And we're looking for openness. And I think it's.

Michelle Glogovac (26:04.484)
That's beautiful. You've dropped some things all around. I'm like, I've to write this down.

Becky Ellis (26:09.604)
Well, I think it's that opening that we all really want. We don't want to be closed. We don't want closure. I don't think anybody does. I think it was something that we all got our minds around. I got to close and tidy this up. No. Crack it open. Be messy. That's where the stuff of life really is, I think.

Michelle Glogovac (26:20.611)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (26:32.782)
Did he have these conversations with your siblings in the end? Did it come out the same way as with you or was that totally different?

Becky Ellis (26:36.27)
He had...

You know, on his 90th birthday, we all gathered together. There were about 25 of us. And his oldest three children weren't there because he was estranged from them his whole life. But the rest of his five kids were there and all of our kids were there and his current wife was there. And he said, I want to talk to you. And my sister and I looked at each other and

I had already been talking to him for about six months and we knew, okay, the little kids can't hear this. So we took him up and started a movie in a different room, one that they'd been dying to watch. Like, okay, now you finally get to watch the movie. And my dad had us all sit around the table and for an hour he talked about the war. And my brother-in-law, my sister's husband is a Marine veteran. He fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. And so he's talked to Chris.

a time or two about some of the things that he experienced. But he's talked to my brother and sister too, but he usually let other people drive that. If they wanted to hear about something, he would share. Once he opened up, he would talk to people in the airport about it. I know in the book, I...

Michelle Glogovac (27:50.979)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (28:02.518)
I talk about how he kind of transformed. He never used to wear anything that showed any sign of being a veteran. And then he showed up one time to visit me in the Portland airport with a veteran's hat on and all his medals across it. I'm like, what on earth has happened to my father? Has he really lost his mind now? And people would stop him in the airport. And I was like, I finally understood why he never would wear anything because people stopped him every...

Michelle Glogovac (28:05.102)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (28:29.858)
ten paces, you know, thank you so much for your service. Thank you for, know, blah, blah. And

Michelle Glogovac (28:35.78)
which makes me want to cry again. I cried when I read that part and it makes me want to cry again because I feel like so often I personally feel like people don't appreciate or we forget or whatever it is, but then to know that he was stopped everywhere he went. And I always tell my kids, always say thank you. And even if it's not like, me stop you, you can look someone in the eye and say thank you for your service, whether it's an officer, a firefighter, a veteran, just to acknowledge that is so important.

Becky Ellis (28:40.301)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (28:50.573)
Yeah.

Becky Ellis (29:03.926)
Yeah, it's super interesting because I've talked to a ton of veterans since, you know, the book launch also. And there are a couple of Vietnam vets who were Bush Marines. And they're the tough guys. And they're the ones that really saw a lot of the hard stuff of Vietnam. And one of them said to me, I don't want you to thank me for my service. I don't want anybody to ever thank me. And I said, why not? And he said, if you knew what I did.

you would not be thanking me. And I said, well, what do you want us to do? And he said, I want you to vote and I want you to know who you're voting for. And I said, okay. And I've thought a lot about how to talk to veterans since. And so what I say to them is I start with my dad was a combat veteran and I appreciate your sacrifice.

Michelle Glogovac (29:40.804)
Mm.

Michelle Glogovac (29:58.627)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Ellis (29:59.382)
So instead of thanking them for their service, I say, appreciate your sacrifice. I understand it. Because it's not a few, most people think, it's a few years of service, a few years of sacrifice, but it's a lifetime. Military service, no matter what kind changes a person for a lifetime.

Michelle Glogovac (30:06.413)
like that. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (30:14.147)
It is.

Michelle Glogovac (30:19.946)
and their family in the future. So it's lifetimes over.

Becky Ellis (30:22.178)
Yes, lifetimes, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Not that it's bad to say thank you for your service because I think most accept that, right? Most understand we are trying. You know, it's better than saying nothing. Absolutely, yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (30:28.382)
Becky, you are such a gift.

Michelle Glogovac (30:38.36)
Yeah.

Yeah. And at least make the eye contact smile. know, even if you don't say thank you, at least acknowledge in some way, like, see you. As simple as that. Yeah.

Becky Ellis (30:45.698)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, and I appreciate you. I see you and I appreciate you. Yeah. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (30:57.188)
You are a gift. Your book is a gift. I'm so glad that you got to have that opportunity with your dad and then to share it with all of us. It's just wonderful. I'm at a loss of words because it's something that it's treasure that so many don't get to have and you not only have it but you've shared it with all of us so that we get to experience it as well and have a deeper…

Becky Ellis (31:00.813)
So are you.

Becky Ellis (31:05.049)
Mm.

Michelle Glogovac (31:25.954)
meaningful appreciation for what your dad and so many others went through.

Becky Ellis (31:30.308)
Thank you. And yeah, thanks. I appreciate that. And I appreciate you too. You're fabulous.

Michelle Glogovac (31:35.328)
Where can it get? thank you. Thank you. A feeling is mutual, my friend.

Becky Ellis (31:42.04)
You've helped me so much get the word out and I appreciate that. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (31:44.733)
thank you. Thank you. Where can everybody find the book, find you, get more information on your newsletter and those tough conversations?

Becky Ellis (31:54.392)
Yeah, the book should be almost everywhere. I know it's sold out in most bookstores, but I know Barnes and Noble still has it and the paperback's coming out in January. So it'll be restocked everywhere again, hopefully. And my newsletter, yeah, it's on my website, on the Connect page of my website, which is beckyellis.net. People can find it there and...

Michelle Glogovac (32:00.981)
Yay!

Becky Ellis (32:23.318)
I love hearing from readers. always answer. So if anyone has anything to ask or say, join the conversation. I'm here for that.

Michelle Glogovac (32:32.708)
Perfect, thank you so much, Becky.

Becky Ellis (32:35.266)
Yeah, thank you, Michelle.