Michelle Glogovac (00:01.084)
Hello, Jen and Shauna. I am so excited to talk to you two today.

Jen (00:06.092)
Hi Michelle, we're thrilled to be here.

Michelle Glogovac (00:08.988)
Can you take a moment to introduce yourselves before we dive right into spicy dirtiness?

Jen (00:15.778)
Absolutely, I'll kick it off. My name is Jen Besser and I am the co-author of our debut novel, Dirty Diana.

SHANA FESTE (00:25.303)
And I am Shana Festy, her, Jen's best friend of, my gosh, how many years, Jen?

Jen (00:33.362)
since it's been a long time. We're in, we're into decades. We'll say that.

SHANA FESTE (00:35.247)
But yeah, let's just say since we've been 11.

Michelle Glogovac (00:36.219)
Yeah

Michelle Glogovac (00:40.646)
I love it. That is a long time. When you say festy, I want to be like, you're festy the besty.

SHANA FESTE (00:48.347)
There's a store in New York, too.

Jen (00:48.984)
She is...

Michelle Glogovac (00:51.634)
I love it. So I've read both Dirty Diana and Diana in Love, which isn't out yet, but I got my hands on it. And it is spicy goodness. I enjoyed it. It was very different, I want to say. And I had no idea that it was actually a scripted podcast beforehand featuring Demi Moore. So that was a huge deal, I imagine.

Jen (01:01.122)
Thank you.

Michelle Glogovac (01:21.318)
for you too. How did this all come together? How did you create a podcast, first of all, that was scripted? I've never done anything with scripted podcasts, so this is new for me, especially even though I've been in the podcast world for years now. Scripted shows, I know nothing. So take me through the journey of how that all came together, how you decided as two best friends to create this. Give me the whole 411.

SHANA FESTE (01:49.115)
I think it was new for both of us too. know, Jen is a publisher in her real job and I am a writer, a director. And we were actually living together. Jen was living in New York and I was in LA. And it was during the pandemic and she was living with us in our guest house. And my husband was working with his podcast company.

And I had always kind of had this idea of Dirty Diana and Jen and I kind of discussed it and we pitched him it as a podcast to do because we were kind of all so isolated and no one was working and we were all incredibly lonely. And this was a way we thought, well, we can still be creative. We can still make something and we can still feel like closer to our community. And so we just wrote a few episodes and we started casting.

And we really had no idea what the reaction would be. We were completely shocked by the actresses that responded, like Melanie Griffith and Lena Dunham and obviously Demi Moore. We had this incredible cast of women who came aboard to tell this story because I think a lot of other women wanna talk about this and have this conversation.

Jen (03:06.894)
Yeah, it was a very, you know, in so many ways, such a special experience, because yes, we are used to living 3000 miles apart, but you know, during the pandemic, everywhere was difficult to be. But, you know, I was in New York City with my family in our apartment and, you know, talked to Shawna and she'd like, I need, you know, I don't think this, this apartment is going to function as office and school. And she was like, come. And so we sort of, you know, we both have young children. And so we were all living together and the podcast actually

would have in before times been recorded in person and that was kind of the plan. But then as the shutdown happened, of course, you it was all over Zoom. But still even over Zoom, the thing that got us most excited about like, hey, maybe this is gonna work is even over Zoom, we felt like due to the talent of all of these actors, especially like you could feel the connection and the fun and the material. So yeah, it was really.

it was it was an opportunity for us to learn too because you know it felt like we know how things work we know how you know shauna's a screenwriter she knows how it works visually i work in books but to sort of take it to this other level and like what's the auditory experience of all of this so it was really fun and fascinating

Michelle Glogovac (04:22.738)
Because it's kind of like an audiobook and yet it's not. It's one of those kind of funny, you know, yeah, yes, yes. My husband listens to all of the radio shows. Like he wakes up at three in the morning, can't go back to sleep, so he listens to the old radio shows of all of that and then the commercials and everything that are just hilarious. I want to ask, because I'm sure that there are people out there who are thinking, oh, so I could write a scripted podcast.

Jen (04:28.63)
It's like a radio play, like an old school radio play.

Michelle Glogovac (04:50.79)
and then I'll get these big name actresses to possibly do it. You must have had these connections already in place, yes?

SHANA FESTE (04:58.585)
well, I mean, you know, as a filmmaker, I, I, have made a lot of movies with big talent. so, you know, we have relationships at agencies and stuff, but I will say there's, you know, a lot of really cool narrative podcasts. You know, being put out there where it's, it's not that big of a time commitment for an actor, you know, it's, you know, four or five days and they get to kind of do something really different that they haven't done before. And.

acting by just with your voice is totally different than doing something on screen. that's, actually, I had to continually kind of remind myself, oh yeah, we're not seeing this. This has nothing to, I'm not blocking this scene. I'm like, I don't have this visual crutch, I guess, anymore. I just have to sell everything with their voices. And so that was for a director. It was like a masterclass in directing for me. I learned so much.

Michelle Glogovac (05:54.044)
That's definitely different because I recorded my audio book. And so I remembered certain parts where the engineer is like, no, stop. And I've said this before, you got to be more Hollywood. Because it is so different, the tone of voice and how you're going to say it because nobody can see you doing it. At what point did it go from scripted podcast to, OK, now we're going to do books, which makes sense, obviously, Jen being a publisher, that you would have books coming out. But how did that come into play?

SHANA FESTE (06:02.969)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jen (06:04.489)
Thank

Jen (06:22.734)
I actually remember where we were when we had this conversation. were, once we were done recording the podcast, then we went into the QCode offices to edit it. And there was one day, we would carpool back and forth, and there was one day I remember we were in the car, and we just, for weeks we had been sort of talking about like, what do you think?

What do you imagine Diana was like in her 20s? And we just kept coming back to this idea that there was so much more of her story to tell. And then that coupled with listening to it in the editing suite over and over again and being confronted with sort of how intimate it is to hear it in your headphones between. And we started talking about, well, the other medium that is so intimate is the reader and the page. And sort of like, maybe that's where we want to take Diana.

could we, and that would afford us the same way that, you know, auditory had something special to us. What's the experience like on the page? And so that's where we wanted to sort of experiment and play.

Michelle Glogovac (07:26.662)
And then at some point you moved out and you went back home. You're just pretending to be a part for the sake of video.

Jen (07:29.244)
I did move out.

SHANA FESTE (07:29.453)
And then it's still living with me.

Jen (07:35.576)
We're pretending to be in different places. No, but we did actually stay in LA much longer than I told my husband when we were first going. was like, let's just go for two weeks. It'll be a break. We did eventually move out from Shana's house, but we ended up staying in LA a year and a half because I was working remotely as everybody was. And, you know, so it was so wonderful to be back near my best friend and sort of navigating these scary times together. And eventually we rented.

We couldn't all work out of the house because in addition to the husbands and the kids, there was a lot of animals and it was wonderful chaos. And so eventually we rented an office space that was not so great, but you know, we have very fond memories of everything we created there.

Michelle Glogovac (08:19.109)
you

SHANA FESTE (08:21.719)
Yeah, it was just one ugly room, just like white walls. It was like a building from like the 60s. And it was the like, I don't even know how to describe it was so depressing.

Jen (08:33.162)
You had the best description. She said, one day we walked in and Shawna said, this is where you would come in the eighties if your parents were getting a divorce and you were coming to see it. Like, I'm not a very good therapist.

SHANA FESTE (08:45.411)
It was that building, it was like heaven. It was like the best place on earth. When we got there, away from our kids and family and everybody, and just had like quiet and us, it was like the best place in the world.

Jen (09:00.782)
We moved in a big couch and that was it. We were like, it's all we need. The door doesn't really work. It doesn't open. It's fine.

SHANA FESTE (09:04.027)
Yeah, we can.

Michelle Glogovac (09:07.602)
I can only imagine, as I'm sure others listening are like, it's a dream.

SHANA FESTE (09:12.183)
It was a dream. So quiet. Yes.

Jen (09:12.27)
Mm-hmm. That's a dream. Yep.

Michelle Glogovac (09:15.772)
Let's talk about Diana and the inspiration behind her because she is, I'll give you my perspective as a reader and as a woman in her 40s, married kids of the, what, not, I don't wanna say I'm saying this, but like, what am I missing or what did I miss or what else is there? What haven't we explored? She's thinking, I've been married for a long time.

Is this all that's it right now? What was the inspiration behind that? Am I totally off base? You can feel free to be like, wow, did you read this right book?

Jen (09:54.54)
Not at all.

SHANA FESTE (09:55.993)
Yeah, no. And I just think it's a question that every single woman has asked herself. And it's also a question that we've asked ourselves and said, am I allowed to want more? Is it selfish for me to want more? Do I deserve more? Or should I just be content with what I have? And so many messages are telling us, stop asking for more. You should be satisfied with what you have.

You might not even deserve more. You should be content that you have a man that loves you and that should be enough for you. And I think it was just a question we've all thought of ourselves. I I personally, know, in a year into my marriage, my husband and I found ourselves in this really tricky position where we had stopped having sex. We stopped talking about it. It was this horrible elephant in the room. And it was like,

why is this the one conversation that's so difficult to have with my husband of all people, right? And it just kind of got out of control and it was a really lonely time in my life. And I didn't see a lot of other people talking about it. It kind of felt like, know how women sometimes feel like they shouldn't share when they have a miscarriage or they're going through IVF or I didn't want it to be this taboo subject. know, every couple struggles with this. Every woman questions, where did her desire go?

Can I reclaim my desire? And why does this have to be a TMI conversation? Why can't we talk about female pleasure and desire in a really open, understanding, conversational way? Why does it have to be this taboo subject? And so it was a little bit, you know, for my own personal experience where I wanted to have this conversation that I was so scared to have. And also,

I think as a writer, there's some sort of catharsis and kind of solving your own problems on the page, right? So was kind of fun and healing for me to be able to work through Diana's problems. And I'm not Diana at all and Jen is not Diana, but that was certainly a healthy way to tackle it.

Jen (12:10.614)
Yeah, and Michelle, think your reading of her is right on in terms of, you know, how we have created her and think about her and continue to think about her. You know, I think to Shana's point too, there is a feeling too, like, well, this, but this was everything I was working towards. So it's supposed to light me up. And I think with Diana in particular, you know, one of the things we were exploring and sort of thinking about the choices she's made and the man she's chosen, the marriage she's in, you know,

making choices, you know, it's always interesting and easy to, know, armchair quarterback, but like, you know, a lot of her choices were around safety and we get into a little bit of like what's underneath that, you know, it can be the chaos of your childhood and looking for something different and, you know, or some of us recreate our childhoods in these relationships. So we really wanted to take a look at

relationships, marriage, but also, and I think you get into it more in book two, is the impact that female friendships have on our life. Obviously, that's something that's a big part of our lives and having our own long time, very deep friendship. So we wanted to look at that too. we also wanted to, I think Diana's funny, quite honestly. There's a lot of humor. There's a lot of kind of like, well, if you can't laugh at it, and trying to figure herself out in that way. And that part is, think.

very true to Shana and I. That's sort of how we, lot of how we're feeling our way through things.

Michelle Glogovac (13:41.444)
In book one, we'll talk about Hell Yeah too. I love giving her a shout out when I know she's read the book too, but I remember her review was, I've never loved a book so much in which I couldn't stand these characters. Like, she hated the people so much, but she loved the book. And I was like, should I read this too?

Jen (14:00.974)
Well, that's something we talk a lot about even before we wrote this book. then we, Shawna and I, you know, when we see a movie or we read a book, it's like, we love flawed characters and we sometimes bump up against why is there so much accommodation and patience for male characters that are so deeply flawed? But if a woman is just a little bit, it's like,

It's uncomfortable and it's, know, nope, can't go there with her.

SHANA FESTE (14:36.055)
Yeah, mean, I've been a screenwriter for 15, 20 years and writing the female protagonist, the first thing you get is, is she likable? And you're like, what makes her likable? Do we have to see her making cookies for her kids in the morning? Does it mean she's likable if she's a good mom? What makes her likable? Well, for a lot of people, it's not likable.

for her to, for Diana to not want to have sex with her husband when there doesn't seem to be anything is wrong with the marriage, right? So you're thinking, do women owe men sex all the time? Do men control their wives' bodies? And is that what their wife's purpose is? And I think it's just amazing. You're like, who would want to have sex with Oliver in book one? Like, he's so sad. He's so depressed.

know? And it's like, why can't we just be our best selves? And then that's a little attractive, right? I don't know. It has started a lot of really interesting conversations about what we want from our female protagonists, how they want to appear. And inner man too. And just also the lens of empathy and what I love about both of you guys, I haven't met her at all and I look forward to.

Jen (15:50.958)
and

SHANA FESTE (16:02.735)
But there's just an empathy with a reader that sometimes you don't find. Thank you for having enough empathy for reading these characters that might have rubbed you the wrong way, but still stayed on the journey with them. Because that's like the human experience, right? And that's what I feel like when I open a book, I usually try and have that lens. I certainly felt like I did with Intermezzo what I just finished. was like,

Jen (16:17.229)
Mm-hmm.

Jen (16:29.432)
Mm-hmm.

SHANA FESTE (16:29.795)
I don't like these guys, but I'm gonna keep on reading.

Michelle Glogovac (16:32.658)
But I felt like in book two, Diana and Love, I was like, I get them more and I liked them more. And I loved how the end of book one brought us into book two and the end of book two, I'm like,

SHANA FESTE (16:39.643)
Yeah.

Jen (16:48.878)
Hahaha

SHANA FESTE (16:49.849)
Yeah, I think, reading a book about a marriage that is in trouble is not going to show you, if you're writing it in a kind of vulnerable, truthful way, it won't show you the best of each character. You know, they were in trouble in that, and they were underwater in their marriage, which I think is a place that so many people have been, and it's not usually your best self that you're showing, right?

Jen (17:03.693)
Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (17:10.982)
Mm-hmm.

Jen (17:11.362)
Yeah, and that was part of what we wanted to do is show the sort of like ugliness behind closed doors. You know, we're not interested in like they get in a fight and stomp off and, you know, fade to black. Like we've all been in those fights that you're like, man, if people, if anyone were a fly on the wall right now, like not my best self. And I think that's part of the isolation and loneliness of marriage too. If you feel like you can't, you know,

The desire is a big piece in having those conversations around sex, but even just like being able to admit like, hey, things are not great. You know, I think there's a lot of pressure to be like, no, it's great. We have date night and we have sex once a week or, know, whatever it is. And it's like just this pervasive feeling of being able to open up to each other and be like, yeah, things are kind of fucked up for me right now.

SHANA FESTE (18:01.04)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (18:01.21)
It's like the couple that always posts their selfies and how much they love each other on Facebook and Instagram. you're like, the studies show that the more you post that shit, you got some messed up things going on at home.

Jen (18:07.34)
I know and.

And then, yeah, and then they announce they're getting divorced and everybody feels a deep betrayal. Like, you know, what? I thought you guys were the model.

SHANA FESTE (18:10.164)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (18:25.37)
Yeah.

SHANA FESTE (18:25.509)
things, know, Diana also is she's, when she met all of her, she really, she had some shame around who she really was, which I think is something that a lot of women feel too, shame around their own desire, their sexuality. And she kept that from him. And after years and years of keeping that from him, it's gonna come to a head and it did. And so, you know, communication is a big theme in this book. And I think

it will be in book three, but I think it's been really fun to write them out of this situation, because we do.

Michelle Glogovac (19:01.936)
Yeah. And the other thing that I feel we're also getting besides the pleasure, the spiciness, the fun, we're also seeing that Diana wants to do something more for herself career-wise and that fulfillment. And I feel like we all get to that point. For me, it was in my late 30s of this career isn't really what I want and yay, I got laid off and it pushed me to figure out what do I want, what's going to fulfill me.

Jen (19:02.04)
Thank

Michelle Glogovac (19:31.984)
And we see that in Diana too. I think we see that especially in book two with, and I now I'm totally blanking on the rich woman's name who comes in, Petra, thank you, who is on that path too and pushing her to figure out what it is that you want. And even Oliver gets to that point. And I think that we don't see that so much in the male perspective in real life where

Jen (19:41.902)
Petra.

Michelle Glogovac (19:56.814)
Men are also going, wait, is this really the career that I want? This isn't really doing it for me.

Jen (20:03.126)
Yeah, and I think those are hard questions and it keeps what you want keeps evolving. But I think, you know, even from a young age is where, you know, as I'm watching my kids get older and thinking about their expected to to know what they want to do so young and all the pressures and but it keeps changing. And I think your your ego gets tied into what you do for a living in such a such a major way. And that kind of changes and evolves to

SHANA FESTE (20:30.755)
Yeah, and if you've played it safe, and I think Diana's biggest flaw is that she's played it so safe in her life, is that she took a job that she didn't love because it was comfortable, it gave her a paycheck, it didn't challenge her, it kind of helped her hide who she really was. And that was okay for a long time. And I think a lot of us do that is that we underestimate ourselves and the idea of doing something we really love.

means putting ourselves out there in a really vulnerable way. mean, even just as a filmmaker, creating this podcast, mean, hosting this podcast, you're putting yourself out there to be judged by people. And that can often be really scary and painful. And so it takes real courage to take a moment and say, isn't enough. I do want more. I want to express myself in a different way. And I want to put myself out there.

Michelle Glogovac (21:26.556)
So what has this meant for the two of you as you have put yourself out there, as you've just gone through this and done this, Sean, exactly what you said, we're reading the character doing, you've done it, Jen, now you've done it, going from publishing to a scripted podcast to writing a book and publishing it. What has that meant for the two of you? What's been your reaction to having this happen, to going out and chasing those dreams and just going for it?

SHANA FESTE (21:33.85)
Yeah.

Jen (21:56.426)
It's been, you know, I think we're pausing because it's all happening in real time, you know? So it's a great question, because we're sort of, it's happening in real time and we're reflecting on it. mean, certainly Shana's had lot of experience with her films, being out in the world and that vulnerability. And this has been really interesting because, I mean, in so many ways, it's been very heartening. It's been wonderful as just a...

Michelle Glogovac (22:01.008)
and quickly.

Jen (22:21.134)
pure creative outlet. I know I speak for myself and I think for Shana too. Like that part is just always, you I think that's part of Diana's journey too, is like she's trying to get in touch with, you know, this artist side of herself, this creativity that, you know, she's let lay a little fallow. But, you know, there's been a lot of, we talk to each other all the time about the perception of the book, because it's got a lot of sex in it. And...

you know, what's this person's reaction gonna be? And, you know, I think a lot about like, okay, well, if I assume this person's gonna be like, no, it's too spicy for me. I think I'm not giving other women, other people enough credit, you know? So we have a lot of those conversations because I think like that's all just weird stuff that we've internalized. But having a book out there, yeah, and saying, you know,

SHANA FESTE (23:05.476)
Hmm

Jen (23:17.592)
For me, I'm somebody who's edited a great number of books and it's been really fun to be on the other side. And in so many ways, I think it's made me a better editor because it's just kind of like a holistic approach to it all.

SHANA FESTE (23:31.087)
We definitely have panic attacks, so especially when I'm like, my God, Jen, my son just told his second grade teacher that I'm a writer and she wants a signed copy of my book. I'm like, my God, what is she gonna think? What are the mothers in the school gonna think? And then, you know, then my son's second grade teacher reads a book and she's like, I love The Spice. And I'm like, okay, great, great. You know, I do think we are constant.

Jen (23:38.317)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (23:53.714)
And what are you teaching my son?

Jen (23:57.262)
It's so weird. I told Shauna, my dad called me the other day because I was like, you don't need to read it. And he was like, I know I'm not your target demographic, but I read it over the holidays. It was great. And it was just like, you yeah. And, you know, his girlfriend read it and it's just, it's been really nice to see people's reaction and, and to get that kind of support.

SHANA FESTE (24:00.475)
Love ya.

Michelle Glogovac (24:19.858)
And we see that spicy books are selling more and more. I mean, it goes to really prove that your book and Diana wanting this and other women wanting this, readers want this. Like we are reading it, we are wanting it. Maybe it will spark the open conversations because they're buying it and they're reading it and they're liking it.

SHANA FESTE (24:36.059)
Yeah.

Jen (24:40.92)
That's what we're hoping. Yeah. I mean, when we look at the zeitgeist right now, you know, with the Miranda July book and Nicole Kimmon's baby girl, it's so great to see a lot of this in conversation. And that's really, you know, when people say like, what's your hope for the book? We really, we just want to start the conversation and hope to continue the conversation in a way that's fun and enjoyable. And also give people a book that

They just love dipping into and spending time with. That's the real dream.

Michelle Glogovac (25:12.166)
And if we're talking about how people have reacted, such as teachers and fathers, how about your husband's?

Jen (25:16.654)
you

SHANA FESTE (25:19.397)
I mean, our husbands have been very supportive. think, you know, the misconception that my husband had when I first started reading it is that like, I would just be writing and just get so hot and bothered that I just run to, you know, from my office and want to have sex constantly. I'm like, no, no, here I am and my head's so wet.

Jen (25:39.47)
The truth is we're like texting each other like, what is another word for penis? Because there's gotta be.

Michelle Glogovac (25:39.996)
haha

SHANA FESTE (25:47.079)
I... they're so gross or just texting each other. Is this too gross? This is gross, right? I don't know. I'm grossing myself out right now, you know. It was not what our husbands had initially thought, but I think when they read it, it was like, well, that's real. I know you in a different way now, you know. Now I know more of you. And I do think anything that I put out there as a filmmaker or as an author with Jen...

Jen (25:52.622)
you

Jen (25:58.798)
No.

Michelle Glogovac (26:02.416)
or hoped for.

Jen (26:03.436)
Yeah.

SHANA FESTE (26:14.063)
I don't think we've done our jobs unless someone can read what we've written and say, I feel like I do know you more. And I think the sex, you know, I notice it so much more now when I'm reading some of my favorite books and, you know, the two protagonists are finally getting together and it's this incredible moment and then the page ends. And you're like, wait, what happened? you're like, sex is a huge part of a relationship.

whether it's new, old, anywhere in between. And the fact that we are just kind of ignoring this in these kind of really relationship-based books is kind of astounding now, now that we've written this.

Michelle Glogovac (26:59.506)
And I like that it's unpredictable too. It's not a Hallmark movie where they're about to kiss and someone always comes to the door and opens it and ruins it. It's like, okay, what's going to happen next? And the one character, one who's already been divorced, I don't like her. She's got some, I'm like, and the fur and...

SHANA FESTE (27:07.523)
Yeah.

SHANA FESTE (27:18.383)
That's okay. You're allowed to not lie to her.

Jen (27:20.238)
yes, yes, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Michelle Glogovac (27:23.97)
I'm like, mm-hmm, there's a reason you're single sister now. Get away.

Jen (27:30.968)
The Hat Lady, as she's known.

SHANA FESTE (27:31.931)
Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (27:32.826)
And of course now it's like, okay, let's look at Pickup and who represents which character.

SHANA FESTE (27:36.315)
Exactly. Yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (27:41.584)
I love it, I love it. And so, but when does book three come out?

Jen (27:45.506)
Book three comes out this summer. So book two, we're right on the eve of, and then book three comes out this summer.

Michelle Glogovac (27:51.698)
And that's very quick because that's three books in less than a year.

Jen (27:55.79)
So that was always the plan. When we were meeting with publishers, we loved that Dial sort of had this idea, like let's do them close together in a kind of binge reading sort of way. So it's a bit of an experiment, but it's been fun when people are like, what, it's Cliffhanger. And then you're you don't have to wait for long, it's coming. It's coming.

Michelle Glogovac (28:14.79)
I love it because, all the streaming stuff, it's like, you get 10 episodes and now you have to wait a year and a half and then you're going, what happened? I don't remember. But this, I've already, since I've already read book two, I'm like, this is great. Okay, now what are we doing? And we won't give any spoilers away, but I'm like, where do we start next? I know where we're starting.

Jen (28:22.86)
Yes.

SHANA FESTE (28:23.056)
Yes.

Jen (28:26.862)
you

SHANA FESTE (28:31.675)
Well, we really take the gloves off for book three. We really have some fun. I think you're going to

Michelle Glogovac (28:43.267)
I can't wait. And what is that one called?

Jen (28:46.338)
That one is.

SHANA FESTE (28:46.395)
called Diana says yes.

Michelle Glogovac (28:51.716)
I it. love it. You two are fantastic. I wanna be your third wheel.

Jen (28:57.028)
you're fantastic.

SHANA FESTE (28:57.109)
all right. Good. You're in San Jose? Okay, great. Yeah. We have lots of family in San Jose.

Michelle Glogovac (29:00.378)
I am, yeah.

Jen (29:05.004)
you will be getting that first copy of book three.

Michelle Glogovac (29:05.094)
Gotta come visit.

SHANA FESTE (29:07.411)
for sure, yeah.

Michelle Glogovac (29:08.21)
be still my heart. Michelle says yes.

Jen (29:09.863)
Michelle says yes.

Michelle Glogovac (29:15.92)
Where can everybody find the two of you and pick up Dirty Diana and soon to be Diana in love?

Jen (29:23.31)
So Dirty Diana is available wherever books are sold at your local indie, BNN, Amazon, everywhere you go. And Diana in Love comes out February 4th and the third, the finale as we said, comes out this summer. We are at Jen and Shauna on Instagram and you can also visit our website which is dirtydianabook.com.

Michelle Glogovac (29:49.062)
I love it. You two are awesome. I love seeing two best friends creating something like this. It's amazing. So thank you so much, both of you.

Jen (29:55.886)
Thank you. Thank you for your support. We really appreciate it.

SHANA FESTE (29:57.445)
Thank you for having us.

Michelle Glogovac (30:02.15)
You guys are awesome.